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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is only a distinction between the tax rates on earned income and unearned income because the voters allowed it based on the promise that it would create jobs.
    Since it has not produced jobs in this country, it is unlikely voters will continue to allow it, especially when they are being asked to accept lower benefits to continue the tax cuts.
    Oh you mean they meant that trickle down thing ? yanno where you let the rich an corporations pay zero taxs and they create alot of jobs ??? is that why we have 9% unemployment...because they didnt tell us ...all the jobs they created and all the trickle down was for CHINESE
    No one believes their chit anymore

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oh you mean they meant that trickle down thing ? yanno where you let the rich an corporations pay zero taxs and they create alot of jobs ??? is that why we have 9% unemployment...because they didnt tell us ...all the jobs they created and all the trickle down was for CHINESE
    No one believes their chit anymore
    can you tell us why the rich have a duty to fund all the stuff you think you are entitled to?

    why the rich have a duty to create jobs for people who don't have the ability, talent or drive to make themselves useful?
    thanks

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You bring up several good points. That is why my long standing position has been

    1- All Americans who earn dollar one should pay at least 5% in federal income tax.
    2- all brackets should be raised five points
    3- most deductions should be ended
    4- stop preferential rates for capital gains and inheritance abolishing both and simply declaring those monies as income.
    5- cut at least $300 billion from the federal budget today
    6- have 100% of American earners pay FICA tax on 100% of their earnings instead of just the lower 93% who pay that full load today.
    lets examine this crap

    if someone makes a million a year in EARNED income their FICA taxes will go up SIX TIMES

    What most deductions should be eliminated? losses?

    if someone makes 1 million in dividends you want their taxes to go up two and a half times

    from say 150K or on that income to 400K

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you tell us why the rich have a duty to fund all the stuff you think you are entitled to?

    why the rich have a duty to create jobs for people who don't have the ability, talent or drive to make themselves useful?
    thanks
    People won't just lay down and die willingly regardless of how much you'd that. If you want REAL Darwinism instead of fake Darwinism (aka capitalism), just keep going the way you're going and you'll get it. Luckily, I'll be dead in another couple of decades at best so I won't be around to see it. In the end you can only abuse people so far until they snap and push back, usually violently.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    So they stole from people or were they given it by those individuals?
    Depends on perspective. I say both. Legally though everything they have was legal, just not moral. Same with the Stanfords and Huntingtons. Legal but not moral. Same with the Irvines. Many many rich took. They then sit back and protect their wealth. Why is taking land or legally ripping off the government viewed as noble? What many families have done is screw over people and then whine about having to pay more in taxes. They should have to pay more. If you take an extra million of so from some of my family members it can imrove the quality of life for others and that will find it's way back into my family's pockets anyway as those with better lives get out and spend. It is win win.

    Not really unless the avenue they took to gain their wealth is similar.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you tell us why the rich have a duty to fund all the stuff you think you are entitled to?

    why the rich have a duty to create jobs for people who don't have the ability, talent or drive to make themselves useful?
    thanks
    It should be the duty of everybody to help out those in need. It is moral.

    Gecko got it wrong, buddy. Greed is bad.

    In helping others they will, eventually, help you. Ever just wave to a person or smile randomly? They smile or wave back.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    People won't just lay down and die willingly regardless of how much you'd that. If you want REAL Darwinism instead of fake Darwinism (aka capitalism), just keep going the way you're going and you'll get it. Luckily, I'll be dead in another couple of decades at best so I won't be around to see it. In the end you can only abuse people so far until they snap and push back, usually violently.
    I guess that is one way of saying you are not up to competing. But I really wish all those on this board who keep threatening violent revolution because they aren't industrious or intelligent enough to provide for themselves would really act out their threats.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It should be the duty of everybody to help out those in need. It is moral.

    Gecko got it wrong, buddy. Greed is bad.

    In helping others they will, eventually, help you. Ever just wave to a person or smile randomly? They smile or wave back.
    I think you confuse private charity freely given versus government redistribution of wealth that is the farthest thing from altruism that there is

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there again is two fold stupidity in that post

    1) assuming that none of the rich have earned income

    2) pretending that earned income and investment income are the same thing

    another massive bit of dishonesty on your part
    Lets do this experiment Turtle.

    I get ten stacks of five thousands dollars each in new fifty dollar bills from the bank and you get ten stacks of five thousand dollars each in new fifty dollar bills from the same bank bank. No other markings or designations will be placed upon the bills. We will call my stacks EARNED INCOME FROM WAGES. We will call your stacks INVESTMENT INCOME. We have an independent third party place a tiny marker in each and then arrange them so that the twenty are scattered across a table.

    Can you tell them apart? Is there any actual difference between the money or - is it as you maintain - not the same thing at all. Because if they are NOT the same thing, then you should have no trouble identifying the investment income from the earned income.

    If you are able to identify the stacks properly, you walk away with all the money. If you fail to do so - which should be impossible given your vast knowledge of the difference between earned income and investment income, you lose the money to me.

    Are you up to proving to everyone that there is a difference in the money or are you going to admit that money is money is money and there is no difference other than the discriminatory and preferential rates the rich have been able to get from the government because of the power of the Golden Rule?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets examine this crap

    if someone makes a million a year in EARNED income their FICA taxes will go up SIX TIMES

    What most deductions should be eliminated? losses?

    if someone makes 1 million in dividends you want their taxes to go up two and a half times

    from say 150K or on that income to 400K
    It hurts when you will have to play by the same rules that everyone else plays by doesn't it?

    I guess its hard to learn to learn to feed yourself when somebody else has been spoon feeding you from birth and you see that as the natural and normal order of things.

    It might be a painful transition - but a needed and necessary one for America.
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