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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That has what to do with my point?
    You said, "I love how you're acting like taking control over property with the use of government is something you don't actually need to defend."

    And I explained to you that progressive taxes are not "taking control over property" under the rule of the law based on the constitution. Therefore, I have nothing to defend, it is up to you to convince the Supreme Court that your case has validity. So far, you have failed.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You said, "I love how you're acting like taking control over property with the use of government is something you don't actually need to defend."

    And I explained to you that progressive taxes are not "taking control over property" under the rule of the law based on the constitution. Therefore, I have nothing to defend, it is up to you to convince the Supreme Court that your case has validity. So far, you have failed.
    Political reality =/= logical debate. My argument is based on ethics, logic, and rights. I'm not here to argue to the supreme court and I'm well enough aware of the sixteenth amendment. Are you aware of why it was needed?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You said, "I love how you're acting like taking control over property with the use of government is something you don't actually need to defend."

    And I explained to you that progressive taxes are not "taking control over property" under the rule of the law based on the constitution. Therefore, I have nothing to defend, it is up to you to convince the Supreme Court that your case has validity. So far, you have failed.
    Yep - they're doing the typical whiny ass Poor Little Rich Me routine about SCOTUS, again. Boo-hoo.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    What case can be made in the supreme court on this? Wouldn't the only thing that could defeat the progressive tax be a constitutional amendment, since it was a constitutional amendment that allowed for it?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    We realize you operate under the assumption that the rich should pay more because they have more but WHY?

    I don't pay more than you do for anything other than government
    Perhaps Thomas Jefferson can answer your question

    "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is
    to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the
    higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they
    rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps Thomas Jefferson can answer your question
    He lost that argument hay.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He lost that argument hay.
    I thought you were only concerned with logic and reasoning?
    you from 872

    Political reality =/= logical debate. My argument is based on ethics, logic, and rights.
    If he won or lost - that should be irrelevant to you compared to the logic involved in his argument?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought you were only concerned with logic and reasoning?
    you from 872
    You forgot ethics and rights.

    I also have you know that the reason he lost that argument is because of ethics and rights.

    And in the part you quoted is just his empty opinion. There is no reasonings there.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps Thomas Jefferson can answer your question
    Of course, Thomas Jefferson also said:

    A capitation is more natural to slavery; a duty on merchandise is more natural to liberty, by reason it has not so direct a relation to the person.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly, as compared with the working class that have to pay a higher rate on their income. You forget that the rich pay a lower tax rate only because we allowed under the promise of job creation. Without job creation there is no reason for the working class to continue to allow the rich to pay a lower rate on their income.

    So the more you **** with the working class, the less likely it is they will allow you to continue paying a lower tax rate.
    there again is two fold stupidity in that post

    1) assuming that none of the rich have earned income

    2) pretending that earned income and investment income are the same thing

    another massive bit of dishonesty on your part

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