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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its funny watching welfare socialists slurp Reagan without understanding the whole package.
    The whole package represents lower tax rates for the wealthy than under Reagan, and still they whine that they want even lower tax rates!!!
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Well, if you use a ridiculous hyperbolic phrase to describe it, then sure it sounds silly. Of course, just about anything can be dismissed that way.

    A better statement would be that we're incentivizing investment in the US economy, which is more accurate as opposed to "subsidizing gambling," since the only real similarity between investment and gambling is the risk.
    No. Its gambling and you want me to subsidize it for you.

    No thank you.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The whole package represents lower tax rates for the wealthy than under Reagan, and still they whine that they want even lower tax rates!!!
    You need to pay the same amount of taxes I do before you start whining about the rich again.

    People like me subsidize your low rates

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. Its gambling and you want me to subsidize it for you.

    No thank you.
    we subsidize the sloth and unproductively of the millions of pawns the dem party has created with its handouts, and we have thus increased deleterious behavior that hurts our nation while investment helps it

    It appears you like expenditures that increase dem voters but you dislike stuff that makes the country more prosperous

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Okay. That is my position. And what does that have to do with what you claimed I believed?



    What you quoted me saying and what you claimed I believed are not the same.
    Perhaps, yet you seem to not mind deductions, credits, deferals and all sorts of nonsense that has a FAR greater effect on lowering the "average" or "middle class" tax bills (shrinks their AGI) than any "bracket rates" do. The rich pay WAY more than a "fair" share, based on taxation paid relative to their income, yet not a peep from you about this difference. The top income earners make 22% of the nations income, yet they NOW pay 38% of the nations taxes, you want that to increase MORE mainly for the top 1%. You want ALL income to be treated the SAME in one breath, then want the rich to pay more (at a higher rate) even though they clearly already do. You SAY you want inheritance taxed, yet duck every mention of taxation on the passing down of the family farmland or the average small business from parent to child. You ignore tax defered retirement (IRA/Keogh/401K) "investment" income for the "middle class", but want that same "investment" income taxed if it goes to a "rich guy". Calling the same thing a deduction/deferal for one taxpayer yet calling it "gambling income" for another makes NO sense to me.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we subsidize the sloth and unproductively of the millions of pawns the dem party has created with its handouts, and we have thus increased deleterious behavior that hurts our nation while investment helps it

    It appears you like expenditures that increase dem voters but you dislike stuff that makes the country more prosperous
    More pompous pontifications based only upon your extremist and elitist beliefs.

    By all means do present your verifiable factual evidence about making the country more prosperous because of long term capital gains preferences.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps, yet you seem to not mind deductions, credits, deferals and all sorts of nonsense that has a FAR greater effect on lowering the "average" or "middle class" tax bills (shrinks their AGI) than any "bracket rates" do. The rich pay WAY more than a "fair" share, based on taxation paid relative to their income, yet not a peep from you about this difference. The top income earners make 22% of the nations income, yet they NOW pay 38% of the nations taxes, you want that to increase MORE mainly for the top 1%. You want ALL income to be treated the SAME in one breath, then want the rich to pay more (at a higher rate) even though they clearly already do. You SAY you want inheritance taxed, yet duck every mention of taxation on the passing down of the family farmland or the average small business from parent to child. You ignore tax defered retirement (IRA/Keogh/401K) "investment" income for the "middle class", but want that same "investment" income taxed if it goes to a "rich guy". Calling the same thing a deduction/deferal for one taxpayer yet calling it "gambling income" for another makes NO sense to me.
    Again, you are inventing things and claiming I believe them.

    I have posted in this very thread that any discussion of FAIR is absurd as it has become a totally meaningless word in this context.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    If the rich can't solve the spending problem by paying more, then where is the problem with government spending? Are the rich suppressing the masses from earning a living wage, so that they need gov assistance or is the gov simply wasting money or is it all the above?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    More pompous pontifications based only upon your extremist and elitist beliefs.

    By all means do present your verifiable factual evidence about making the country more prosperous because of long term capital gains preferences.

    tell us what would happen if there was no investment capital

    versus no people sucking on the public teat

    tough call I suspect?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell us what would happen if there was no investment capital

    versus no people sucking on the public teat
    was that a TWILIGHT ZONE EPISODE or an OUTER LIMITS?
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