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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only consistency we get from the far left is wanting more taxes taken from those who are more industrious than they are. They ignore the sound reasons why LTCG or dividend income is taxed at a lower rate
    There is nothing "industrious" about handing over millions of inherited money to a money manager.
    There is nothing "industrious" about having a free ride for the first 26 years of your life.

    Most of what rich people do has nothing to do with being hard working. The local mechanic or water plant operator works harder than most rich people ever dream of working - and get paid a hell of a lot less for a job that's just as essential to society.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to be missing the point.

    This was in response to an earlier poster



    My response which was




    The whole point of my comment was it sets my teeth on edge when I read the utterly screaming hypocrisy of trust fund babies whining and bitching about a lack of INDUSTRIOUSNESS in others simply because they have the luck of birth to cash those checks which they did absolutely nothing to earn.

    Are we clear on the context of that now?
    OK, your envy of "the rich" has been well established, we "get it", now explain why ANY differences in taxation should result from two citizens making the SAME pay. What IS a "fair" a taxation policy? You seem to "zoom in" on ONLY the "uber rich" and can not justify why two citzens, both making EXACTLY $50K, should NOT pay EXACTLY the same amount to IRS. Some tax "breaks" you deem "fair", while others you do not; what makes YOU the decider of what is "fair" or should be gov't "social policy" included in the tax code?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There is nothing "industrious" about handing over millions of inherited money to a money manager.
    There is nothing "industrious" about having a free ride for the first 26 years of your life.

    Most of what rich people do has nothing to do with being hard working. The local mechanic or water plant operator works harder than most rich people ever dream of working - and get paid a hell of a lot less for a job that's just as essential to society.
    "Just as necessary"? What does that mean? Playing in the NBA is not necessary yet commands quite a paycheck. Are you one of those that sees ALL work as equal, except of course your work, which should pay more than an auto mechanic because?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
    This is just more right-wing crap. I don't believe Jefferson ever said that.

    If you can provide the document where he wrote that - even the name of the document, you know, like "letter to Madison 1798" or something - then I'll happily retract but I'm pretty sure all you're going to find is fictional BS from another right-wingnut.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please do feel free to back up your claims with my words by providing quotes.

    Your so called "recall" is not going to suffice.
    Do think a child should have to report as income, college funding paid on their behalf by their family or a car given to them to go to work or school? It seems only when that SAME activity, done on a larger scale (by the rich), is what you object to, as if the passing of family farmland, or "normal" assistance of children by "regualr" parents is OK, but only up to some "magic" amount that you have in mind, once it crosses that "line", ONLY then it is somehow "wrong". ;-)
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    "Just as necessary"? What does that mean? Playing in the NBA is not necessary yet commands quite a paycheck. Are you one of those that sees ALL work as equal, except of course your work, which should pay more than a an auto mechanic because?
    My work isn't any more special than anyone else's under the philosophy you're trying to invoke.

    Of course sports are necessary, including the "stars". Whatever gave you the idea they weren't?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat."

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    And it's a plastic rabbit at that.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    My work isn't any more special than anyone else's under the philosophy you're trying to invoke.

    Of course sports are necessary, including the "stars". Whatever gave you the idea they weren't?
    I am just trying to see see any point in your "necessary" comment. What has the "necessary" argument have to do with taxation?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am just trying to see see any point in your "necessary" comment. What has the "necessary" argument have to do with taxation?
    Do you see "taxation" in the post you quoted???
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Do you see "taxation" in the post you quoted???
    No, but "fair" taxation is the subject of this thread. Perhaps I foolishly expected YOUR post to be topic related. ;-)
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