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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think most people-reviewing your comments about silk diapers and how the rich ought grovel on their knees to keep their wealth-would conclude that your posts contain a tremendous amount of loathing and hatred for the rich that has no sound basis for these feelings
    Who elected you to speak for "most people"?

    I have repeatedly told you over and over again in thread after thread after thread that I deeply admire people who get rich by the hard work and intelligence they exercise. I do not loathe them. I do not hate them. I helped people like Steven Speilberg, Steve Jobs, Stephen King, Larry Bird, Bruce Springsteen and others get rich by buying their products and fruits of their labor. That is support for them where it counts.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why? I understand "From each according to their ability" has appeal to the weak minded but that is just plain stupid
    Hollow words which defy reality and defy the practical human limits of each person in the real world.

    Could you explain how anyone can be asked to contribute more than their ability? To do so would make no sense at all and would be glaringly stupid in the extreme. People can only contribute each according to their ability because that is the real world practical limitation on what they can do.

    But if you can tell us how people can contribute more than they are able, step right up and do so.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    I am still waiting for somebody to explain what is "fair".

    If I make $500,000 a year, what is my "fair share" I should pay in federal income taxes.

    Right now I believe it is 35%. Why isn't that "fair"?
    You bring up a good point. The word FAIR used in this context is utterly ridiculous and has no real meaning. It should be crushed and flushed, trashed and smashed and consigned to the dustbin.

    The word APPROPRIATE is a far more apt word to use in the discussion of taxation.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    because claiming that will cause a politician to be supported by those who aren't smart enough or talented enough to make one fifth of what you make
    Yeah.... sure..... whatever ..... like Steven Speilberg or Warren Buffet could not buy anybody here with their chump change. gimmeabreak.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    As I stated in another thread.
    The actual 2011 # look like this
    Actual outlay $3,598,086 M / 312 M people = $11,532 per person per year.
    If everyone cannot afford that much, then Government is too big!
    Our Federal Government is not chartered to engage in charity!

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    As I stated in another thread.
    The actual 2011 # look like this
    Actual outlay $3,598,086 M / 312 M people = $11,532 per person per year.
    If everyone cannot afford that much, then Government is too big!
    Our Federal Government is not chartered to engage in charity!
    What a fallacy!!!!!

    You are assuming that EVERYONE has equal income, equal ability, equal means, equal everything to pay that $11K. That is simply silly.

    By your 'reasoning' - since we have homeless people with no income and no ability to pay anything, that then is the standard for EVERYONE.

    Amazing!!!!
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What a fallacy!!!!!

    You are assuming that EVERYONE has equal income, equal ability, equal means, equal everything to pay that $11K. That is simply silly.

    By your 'reasoning' - since we have homeless people with no income and no ability to pay anything, that then is the standard for EVERYONE.

    Amazing!!!!
    But you would agree that we are a country of 'equal rights' correct? And the governance is responsible for protecting these 'equal rights' so logically those who have these 'rights' equally owe the expense of protecting them equally. This may not be practical but it is logical.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    I am still waiting for somebody to explain what is "fair".

    If I make $500,000 a year, what is my "fair share" I should pay in federal income taxes.

    Right now I believe it is 35%. Why isn't that "fair"?
    Show me the one person in America who is making this hypothetical $500,000 income only from wages - then we'll talk.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    My point was, that the raw cost of goods sold of our Government is $11,532 per person per year.
    Think of it this way.
    A large social group has their annual get-together. Everyone is served a steak dinner worth $20.
    So out of 100 members, the 40 middle income members pay $20, the 30 high income members have to pay
    $40, low income members get theirs free.
    Next year the low income members think they should pick a nicer place to eat!
    That's fair, Right?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    But you would agree that we are a country of 'equal rights' correct? And the governance is responsible for protecting these 'equal rights' so logically those who have these 'rights' equally owe the expense of protecting them equally. This may not be practical but it is logical.
    Of course we are a nation of equal rights. Which has nothing at all to do with anything else in terms of taxation or ability to pay taxes.

    Your post is neither practical nor is it logical since you are attempting to equate two very different things that are not at all connected.

    As I have repeatedly stated, I agree that all people who make money should share in the burden of the federal income tax. I believe every American who earns dollar one should pay at least 5% in federal income tax. But to pretend that we can all pay the same - either in a gross number or in the same percentage is simply folly.
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