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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    The only thing that charge proves is that YOU are a liar.
    Thank you. I now understand your attitude completely, I post factual FIT rate information, using clear examples, you hear 55% on TV from your Sean Hannity "god" and accept it as a PURE FACT, with no supporting information at all, simply HIS WORD. Perhaps you can explain, to me, how ANYONE pays 55% in taxes. I can account for 25% in FIT, can you account for the remaining 35%?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    QUESTION: Does anyone think it is "fair" that almost 50% of American wage earners pay no Federal Income taxes at all? How is it "fair" that half of working Americans enjoy the protection of the military and the various benefits of government (what few there are) and don't pay one red cent for it?

    And while we're at it, who decides what is fair? Sean Hannity noted last night that when he adds up all the various taxes he pays, he pays 55% of his income in taxes. So for six months out of a year he hands over everything to the government. In my world, that is NOT fair.
    If there were plenty of jobs available - and good wages for those jobs that are available - then they WOULD be paying Federal income taxes, wouldn't they?!?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    I know. Thats why I said "all the various taxes he pays".
    You said that the 50% of Americans pays don't pay one red cent while only referring to Fed income tax. It's cherry picking when you only include the income tax for people you are trying to denigrate while you include all the other taxes when referring to someone you like.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Federal income taxes are not all the taxes one pays, keep in mind.
    OK. Please then explain what "other" taxes he pays and how they EXCEED his FIT amount. I have supplied a ficticious figure of $200,000 as an annual salary, so please explain WHAT taxes (state, city, sales...) account for them reacing a total of $60,000? The devil is always in the details. Anyone can SAY anything. All I asked was for some back-up information.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You said that the 50% of Americans pays don't pay one red cent while only referring to Fed income tax. It's cherry picking when you only include the income tax for people you are trying to denigrate while you include all the other taxes when referring to someone you like.
    Exactly. But that is what many spew; apples and oranges "FACTS" that people swallow without checking at all. When asked for their "back-up" figures, and perhaps an example, they simply say "you are a liar", end of discussion. ;-)
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK. Please then explain what "other" taxes he pays and how they EXCEED his FIT amount. I have supplied a ficticious figure of $200,000 as an annual salary, so please explain WHAT taxes (state, city, sales...) account for them reacing a total of $60,000? The devil is always in the details. Anyone can SAY anything. All I asked was for some back-up information.
    I was discussing the 50%, I could care less about what Sean personally pays.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I was discussing the 50%, I could care less about what Sean personally pays.
    OK lets discuss that 50%. First 50% of WHAT? Are we counting total IRS filers (and then taking the botton half)? Are we counting little kids, retired grandmothers and prisoners? In order to pay NO FIT an individual would need to make less (in AGI) than $8700, and a family less than $12,400 (2012 amounts).
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK lets discuss that 50%. First 50% of WHAT? Are we counting total IRS filers (and then taking the botton half)? Are we counting little kids, retired grandmothers and prisoners? In order to pay NO FIT an individual would need to make less (in AGI) than $8700, and a family less than $12,400 (2012 amounts).
    Part of me thinks your questioning the veracity of Proud's numbers here more than anything else.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Part of me thinks your questioning the veracity of Proud's numbers here more than anything else.
    Not at all. YOU, not Proud, wished to discuss that ALWAYS mentioned "nearly 50%" BS (in post #606). Let's roll, on that statement, that YOU made. I want YOU to explain how an individual with and AGI below $8700, or a family with an AGI below $12,400 is going to pay FIT. I want you to tell me, and all on this thread, WHO these UNTAXED folks are and HOW we should tax them. That is a simple, and fair question, is it not?
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 06-14-12 at 10:58 AM.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not at all. YOU, not Proud, wished to discuss that ALWAYS mentioned "nearly 50%" BS. Let's roll, on that statement, that YOU made. I want YOU to explain how an individual with and AGI below $8700, or a family with an AGI below $12,400 is going to pay FIT. I want you to tell myself, and all on this thread, WHO these UNTAXED folks are and HOW we should tax them. That is a simple, and fair question, is it not?
    I just keep getting the feeling that we are discussing two different things. What I was trying to say was in response to Proud, was that he said these people don't pay "one red cent" while ONLY referencing FIT. My point was that there are other taxes that AREN'T FIT that poor will pay. I'm not suggesting we change the FIT on them at all at this point.
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