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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    does it sound fair that a guy who paid for 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school should be taxed at a higher rate than some guy who graduated HS and went to work at mickey Ds, simply because he makes more?


    that's the part you bleeding hearts alway ignore. for the most part (trustfund babies excluded) most of the rich people are rich because they worked harder or smarter to get there.


    I was born into a poor family. I worked hard and got good grades in HS and got academic scholarships to help pay for college. I worked a full time job and worked my class schedule around my job. Is it fair for me to pay to support some guy who had the same opportunities as I and chose not to take advantage of them
    Yes, because you owe something to society for rewarding slavish workoholic freaks instead of people with talent (unless it is in athletics). A "self-made man" is someone who hates himself by sacrificing his personal life to get ahead. He also hates his father for not becoming rich and spoiling him. Despite your pretended class resentment at trust-fund babies, you too will make sure that your own children will never have to go through what you had to. You preach to the rest of us to make it on our own, but will never tell that to your own children.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Yes, because you owe something to society for rewarding slavish workoholic freaks instead of people with talent (unless it is in athletics). A "self-made man" is someone who hates himself by sacrificing his personal life to get ahead. He also hates his father for not becoming rich and spoiling him. Despite your pretended class resentment at trust-fund babies, you too will make sure that your own children will never have to go through what you had to. You preach to the rest of us to make it on our own, but will never tell that to your own children.
    I guess that's why when my oldest son lost his scholarship because he'd rather chase tail than go to class, i told him to get a job and kicked him out of the house. I guess that's why I took my daughter down to the recruiter and signed her up with the NG. Once they turned 18, my kids were on their own.Unlike you and yours, i hold myself and my family to the same standards I hold everyone else.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It addresses the OP, showing that the rich have received far greater tax rate cuts than the lower classes.
    Do you believe that the tax code should never ever get less progressive?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Poor Lives of Rich People



    "If one thing is clear about rich people, it's not that their lives are any easier than the rest of ours. In fact, if anything, it's hard to have money. Really hard. Bloomberg's Max Abelson recently interviewed a bunch of Wall Street folks who got smaller bonuses this year, and as their comments indicate, more money either really does mean more problems, or it means that a wealthy person's sense of reality is just that much further off. Certainly, the expectation of more money when one is getting less money -- Goldman Sachs and Barclay's, for example, both cut discretionary pay at least 25 percent for 2011 -- really makes rich people say the craziest things!

    For example:

    * “I feel stuck,” [director of marketing for broker-dealer Euro Pacific Capital Inc. Andrew] Schiff said. “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.” How so? "Paid a lower bonus, he said the $350,000 he earns, enough to put him in the country’s top 1 percent by income, doesn’t cover his family’s private-school tuition, a Kent, Connecticut, summer rental and the upgrade they would like from their 1,200-square- foot Brooklyn duplex."

    * “People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress,” said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”

    * “It’s a disaster,” said Ilana Weinstein, chief executive officer of New York-based search firm IDW Group LLC. “The entire construct of compensation has changed.”

    "The one thing that might mitigate this would be for rich folks to move to what would seem to be the next human level of thinking: Oh, if I have it bad, someone poorer must have it really bad. It doesn't seem that is happening, at least not here (nor in attempts to say poor people are actually doing great). Maybe that sort of public acknowledgment is too much to hope for, given that rich people also apparently like to take candy from babies. It's psychology, they can't help it! Poor things.

    The Poor Lives of Rich People - Entertainment - The Atlantic Wire
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    If someone has a good life and a lot of money, that money should be mine.

    And therein lies the root of the problem. Too many people believe that simply by being born they somehow deserve the same things that others have.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    I think the real problem is the Liberal mindset that believes that the value of all labor belongs to the Government First, and the person working is "allowed" to keep what they think is fair.
    This is contrary to my own beliefs, that the individual earns the value of their own labor,
    taxes are necessary but should be kept to the minimum necessary to protect the nation.
    Our Government has not been chartered to engage in charity!

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    And I guess this also 'addresses the OP, showing that the rich have received far greater tax rate cuts than the lower classes'. How?

    I would appear to be a fluff piece to promote envy and resentment toward those who are better off. Would this not increase the divide that the ‘right’ is persistently accused of? And this helps how?
    Its a good humor piece about the very serious income equality issues that are going to be a big factor in the upcoming election for all the working class that are feeling the pain from that divide, whether you yourself are feeling the pain or not.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Do you believe that the tax code should never ever get less progressive?
    Its already gotten sharply less progressive during the last 30 years. I agree with the majority of the country, we need to eliminate some of the tax cuts for the rich that are not producing jobs in this country.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its already gotten sharply less progressive during the last 30 years.
    Your graph was too compressed to show that. Do you have another one?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Your graph was too compressed to show that. Do you have another one?
    PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers
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