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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You make many assumptions in your reply - most of which are wrong.

    Sorry, go back to the end of the line.
    Really, which were wrong. That you have never been a business owner. That most employees never run a business. That most business owners have been employees. Do please tell.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Why monopolies are bad:

    These will help you understand the basics ...
    The Basics - reference #1
    The Basics - reference #2


    Now, I know this is a big step from the last one but we'll try anyway ...
    Hydraulic empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Monopolies being bad and the need for a national currency are so obvious and basic that, honestly, if you need proof of those you should return to class, check out some books at the library, or do a lot more Internet reading at the very least. Providing links to basic, well-established theories and facts is something I will not waste time on. Regardless of how much free time I may have, that does not mean I am somehow required to waste it educating you.

    If you think the well-established theories are wrong then I invite you to do what every other fringe idealist of the past two centuries has been required to do - show proof that everyone else is wrong and you're right.
    First of all there are MANY well established theories of economics, classical, neo classical, Keynesian, Chicago, Marxizm, ect. Heres a secret for you, there is no gold standard all encompasing economic theory. If there was we would not have economic downturns.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Why monopolies are bad:

    These will help you understand the basics ...
    The Basics - reference #1
    The Basics - reference #2


    Now, I know this is a big step from the last one but we'll try anyway ...
    Hydraulic empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Monopolies being bad and the need for a national currency are so obvious and basic that, honestly, if you need proof of those you should return to class, check out some books at the library, or do a lot more Internet reading at the very least. Providing links to basic, well-established theories and facts is something I will not waste time on. Regardless of how much free time I may have, that does not mean I am somehow required to waste it educating you.

    If you think the well-established theories are wrong then I invite you to do what every other fringe idealist of the past two centuries has been required to do - show proof that everyone else is wrong and you're right.
    Nice little jab there with the basic reference. Problem is your the one who is ignorant. Willfully so.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    The smart thing to do on taxes is to tax consumption, not earnings.

    The Income Taxed should be abolished and a national sales tax should be esablished.

    Punishing wage earner punishes the economy as a whole

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    The smart thing to do on taxes is to tax consumption, not earnings.


    In a consumer based economy?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Really, which were wrong. That you have never been a business owner. That most employees never run a business. That most business owners have been employees. Do please tell.
    Employees make the business run. Ownership is static, work is dynamic--to use a right-wing expression that, like all their other mantras, is never used against them.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    The smart thing to do on taxes is to tax consumption, not earnings.

    The Income Taxed should be abolished and a national sales tax should be esablished.

    Punishing wage earner punishes the economy as a whole
    LOL You want to "punish" consumers for buying in a economy that is 75 % consumer spending. You love recessions that much?
    Taxing income NOT spent is the only way to grow a consumer economy. You have it EXACTLY backwards.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you dishonestly ignore the years were we did not have an income tax or where the rates were rather low

    the fact is there is nothing that PROVES that a progressive tax is fair, proper or as American as apple pie. Its a scheme that politicians use to pay for the stuff they use to buy the votes of the many without losing the votes of the many. That it appeals to losers, ne'er do wells and the envious is even better for those pimps in office.

    its time people like you start paying for what you use. Your existence does not benefit me in the least and I derive no positives from having to pay for some of your wants
    It's all about economics dude and the fact that you can't get blood from a stone. You need to stop saving 80% of what you earn, your taxes are going up anyway,so why not live a little? The Govt. is going to take it all when you die you know.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In a consumer based economy?
    WTF do you guys think a sales tax is? but, I forget, if we did away with sales taxes and only taxed income...the "poor" wouldn't pay any taxes at all...which is probably your desired end state.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    WTF do you guys think a sales tax is? but, I forget, if we did away with sales taxes and only taxed income...the "poor" wouldn't pay any taxes at all...which is probably your desired end state.
    Many economists over the years have told us that we discourage investment when we raise taxes on long-term capital gains.

    Many economists have told us that extra taxing of cigarettes and liquor (sin taxes) discourages their use.

    Using either of those theories leads one to the conclusion that sales taxes discourage consumer spending.
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