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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    I also think its childish for people who claim to be informed and want to argue taxes yet they demand proof of stuff that has been posted thousands of times here in an apparent attempt to delay or divert away from the idiocy of their own weak argument.

    for Molten Dragon to not know what percentage of the income tax the top one percent pays ought to disqualify him from ever being taken seriously on this issue

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I also think its childish for people who claim to be informed and want to argue taxes yet they demand proof of stuff that has been posted thousands of times here in an apparent attempt to delay or divert away from the idiocy of their own weak argument.

    for Molten Dragon to not know what percentage of the income tax the top one percent pays ought to disqualify him from ever being taken seriously on this issue
    But MSNBC will never tell you that. ;-)
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Here are some facts-probably the fiftieth time it has been posted in one form or another

    National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

    Top 1 Percent Pay 37 Percent of Income Taxes - Hit & Run : Reason.com

    these show that the richest 1 percent only earned about 17% of the income-down a few points from a few years ago

    Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data | Tax Foundation

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But MSNBC will never tell you that. ;-)
    true-Its just amazing that someone can think its no different for someone who pays 300K a year in taxes demanding that those who pay almost nothing but constantly demand more government should pay more than it is for someone who is already living off the tax dollars of others wanting people like me to not only pay for everything use but to pay for even more stuff for them

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Here are some facts-probably the fiftieth time it has been posted in one form or another

    National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

    Top 1 Percent Pay 37 Percent of Income Taxes - Hit & Run : Reason.com

    these show that the richest 1 percent only earned about 17% of the income-down a few points from a few years ago

    Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data | Tax Foundation
    Many view taxation as a "contribution" much like charity. They feel that their personal expenses rank first, so all of their income that they wish to spend on themselves should be their "deduction" and then they will allow "fair" taxation on the balance (if any). They see the rich as having a "fair" deduction only equal to their own, and then the rich should pay an even higher rate of tax on their balance. To them that is "fair" they may pay 12% of gross income as tax and the rich may pay 72% of gross income as tax, but since the rules are the same, it is "fair". I've seen posts on here saying that 4x the poverty rate should be the "standard" deduction, and taxation applied only after that.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Many view taxation as a "contribution" much like charity. They feel that their personal expenses rank first, so all of their income that they wish to spend on themselves should be their "deduction" and then they will allow "fair" taxation on the balance (if any). They see the rich as having a "fair" deduction only equal to their own, and then the rich should pay an even higher rate of tax on their balance. To them that is "fair" they may pay 12% of gross income as tax and the rich may pay 72% of gross income as tax, but since the rules are the same, it is "fair". I've seen posts on here saying that 4x the poverty rate should be the "standard" deduction, and taxation applied only after that.
    the parasite advocates also extrapolate their situation to the rich. They figure if they have a 1000 dollar a month mortgage, the rich should also have the same expenses and thus the rich have tons of "free money" they can use to pay taxes. When I explain many people live at the same percentage of their income-ie if a guy making 50K a year has a 800 dollar a month mortgage often someone making 250K a year might well have a 4000 dolla a month mortgage and pays a higher percentage of his income in federal taxes than does the guy making 50K

    to that the parasites often claim that the rich guy ought to be forced to give up his expensive house so he can pay more taxes.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you continue to persist in the stubborn assumption that what the rich pay now is fair and any attempt by the rich to actually pay what is truly fair is wrong
    And you continue to prove that you pay little to no attention to my posts. I have not said that what the rich pay now is fair. I have repeatedly said that I think there are many things about the current tax system that are unfair and they should be changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I want the government to massively cut spending so all taxes go down but if people like you continue to demand mucho government, then people like me shouldn't pay more
    I'm in favor of cutting government spending too. I've said that before too. Do you read anyone else's posts when you debate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it idiotic that you think those who are overtaxed demanding others at least pay more for what they use is no different than those who don't pay their share demanding others pay even more
    I find it idiotic that you can't see the similarities between your own behavior and theirs despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.

    Edit: Hadn't read down far enough yet to see that you actually did post a link to numbers.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    And you continue to prove that you pay little to no attention to my posts. I have not said that what the rich pay now is fair. I have repeatedly said that I think there are many things about the current tax system that are unfair and they should be changed.



    I'm in favor of cutting government spending too. I've said that before too. Do you read anyone else's posts when you debate them?



    I find it idiotic that you can't see the similarities between your own behavior and theirs despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.

    Oh, and I'm still waiting for a link to the numbers you keep spouting.
    its your last sentence that is stupefying. There is no similarity between someone who clearly is paying far more than what he uses demanding merely that others pay for what they use versus someone who is a parasite demanding that they get even more from someone else

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I also think its childish for people who claim to be informed and want to argue taxes yet they demand proof of stuff that has been posted thousands of times here in an apparent attempt to delay or divert away from the idiocy of their own weak argument.

    for Molten Dragon to not know what percentage of the income tax the top one percent pays ought to disqualify him from ever being taken seriously on this issue
    Sorry, it's not my job to support your claims. You want to use the numbers, you provide a link to the source when asked. That's how debates work. The fact that you've posted them before is irrelevant.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    And you continue to prove that you pay little to no attention to my posts. I have not said that what the rich pay now is fair. I have repeatedly said that I think there are many things about the current tax system that are unfair and they should be changed.



    I'm in favor of cutting government spending too. I've said that before too. Do you read anyone else's posts when you debate them?



    I find it idiotic that you can't see the similarities between your own behavior and theirs despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.

    Edit: Hadn't read down far enough yet to see that you actually did post a link to numbers.
    See post #453 for some numbers.
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