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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Article 1
    Section 8

    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"

    How would you interpret the bold part?

    Does that mean everyone should pay 1,000.00 per year per person? (amount is example only, no intent of actual amount implied)

    Does that mean everyone pays 10% per year per person? (amount is example only, no intent of actual amount implied)

    Everyone for the most part has the ability to use the same Services our Federal Government provides, ie National Security, Parks, Roads, etc. so why do we have discrimination against various Human Beings? Looks to me as the Founding Fathers intended for everyone to be treated Equally and Fairly without Discrimination

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are proposing eliminating the sales tax????
    Federal sales taxes? Certainly. I wouldn't mind the Fair Tax - which includes a prebate to make the system progressive. But simple, predictable taxes are best.

    However, that is a dodge. The fact remains that a flat rate on income is a flat tax - not a regressive one. You may claim if you wish that some of its' effects are more regressive, but that does not change what it is.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Romney paid 13%
    He paid 14%. Which is more than the vast majority of Americans do:



    [quote]and GE paid nothing.[quote]

    Thanks to the overwhelming complexity of the tax code, supreme political placement, and the highest costing tax shop on the planet yes, they do. Can we count you in favor of Paul Ryan's plan to strip out all of the deductions and credits that let GE get away with paying nothing while other businesses (for example, retail) pay nearly the full nominal rate?

    they rich skate on most of their responsibility
    if by that you mean "pay most the taxes".

    and a family making 250k is not rich
    that is correct - they are fabulously rich. A family making more than 250K is living a life of luxury beyond any king, emperor, or potentate over the vast majority of Human history.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Fairness is when everyone pays the same amount, not the same %, the same amount.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Fairness is when everyone pays the same amount, not the same %, the same amount.
    So you're OK with a factory worker making $40K a year paying the same amount as David Koch, who earned more than $5 billion last year?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    So you're OK with a factory worker making $40K a year paying the same amount as David Koch, who earned more than $5 billion last year?
    My comment was not a policy proposal. It was a comment about fairness, and a highly conventional one.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    My comment was not a policy proposal. It was a comment about fairness, and a highly conventional one.
    Then let's try again. Are you indicating that your think a $40K /year factory worker and a $400 million/year hedge fund manager should pay the same amount of federal taxes?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He paid 14%. Which is more than the vast majority of Americans do:

    Not sure where that chart came from, but it seems a vast underestimation. My wife and I fell in the 100k-200k range last year and paid a hell of a lot more than 12%. Most years we fall right about 100k, and still pay a hell of a lot more than 8-12%.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is correct - they are fabulously rich. A family making more than 250K is living a life of luxury beyond any king, emperor, or potentate over the vast majority of Human history.
    250K a year is quite well off. I certainly wouldn't call it fabulously rich though. And it certainly doesn't afford one "a life of luxury beyond any king, emperor, or potentate over the vast majority of human history". Unless of course you simply mean that people today have access to technology that raises the standard of living above what most people throughout history had, which is true, but is nearly as true of a family making 40k per year as one making 250k or 250 million.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    Then let's try again. Are you indicating that your think a $40K /year factory worker and a $400 million/year hedge fund manager should pay the same amount of federal taxes?
    No, I don't think they should pay the same amount. I believe that a progressive tax code is unfair, but a necessary evil. Even though our current tax code is extremely progressive by OECD standards, we may have to make it more progressive, but let's not kid ourselves and say that we're making it more fair.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    No, I don't think they should pay the same amount. I believe that a progressive tax code is unfair, but a necessary evil. Even though our current tax code is extremely progressive by OECD standards, we may have to make it more progressive, but let's not kid ourselves and say that we're making it more fair.

    Actually, no, our tax code is not progressive by OECD standards...

    How do US taxes compare internationally?

    U.S. taxes are low relative to those in other developed countries. In 2008 U.S. taxes at all levels of government claimed 26 percent of GDP, compared with an average of 35 percent of GDP for the 33 member countries of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
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