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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If we get invaded, win or loose, I most likely won't survive anyway. I'd rather die defending my home than give it up. I'm not sure the rich would be as willing.
    that goes against your logic. the rich guy should be more willing..since he had so much more to lose.

    Besides, what we're really talking about here isn't full-scale invasion. You want me to pay 2/350,000,000th of the cost to maintain the nuclear arsenal??? I'll do that. If someone invades, nuke the bastards!!
    nuke 'em where? their home country? what good would that do when their troops are HERE breaking down your door? nuke 'em here and kill them and us? seems counter-productive

    Everything else is an overseas protection racket that I'm not willing to pay for beyond what my life and property are worth, which is as I discussed above.
    so you are saying that since a rich guy has more "stuff" his life is worth more than yours so he should pay a higher % for defense than you?


    regardless: FWIW I think including services that benefit everyone in a discussion of what is a "fair share" to pay is disingenuous.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I believe there are specific tax laws about the sale of your primary residence - at least there used to be.
    Only that you may 'defer' the taxation of the capital gain, on the sale of your primary residence, by purchasing another of greater value.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Only that you may 'defer' the taxation of the capital gain, on the sale of your primary residence, by purchasing another of greater value.
    There used to be a one-time write off you could take. They may have phased it out, I haven't been keeping track since we bought our last home 17 years ago.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that goes against your logic. the rich guy should be more willing..since he had so much more to lose.
    No, if he dies he looses it all and since he has more to loose he's less willing to die. If he stays alive he may get it back some day - but he may have to live in slavery or some other undesirable state for awhile. What I have isn't worth living like that, I'd rather die.

    But if you would care to show that 1% of the military comes from "The 1%" of the population I may be persuaded to change my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nuke 'em where? their home country? what good would that do when their troops are HERE breaking down your door? nuke 'em here and kill them and us? seems counter-productive
    Nuke it all. If I'm going to die what do I care?!? And if other countries understand this they will not take the chance of invading, it won't be worth the risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so you are saying that since a rich guy has more "stuff" his life is worth more than yours so he should pay a higher % for defense than you?
    I didn't say his life is worth more, the courts already do that, he already does that, his life insurance policies or whatever other financial backups are in place will say that. And, yes, his "stuff" figures into the equation. If the rich don't mind loosing their "stuff" then why the hell are we having this discussion??



    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    regardless: FWIW I think including services that benefit everyone in a discussion of what is a "fair share" to pay is disingenuous.
    I think dividing things up into "fair share" is disingenuous because there is not and can never be an objective definition of it.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post

    I think dividing things up into "fair share" is disingenuous because there is not and can never be an objective definition of it.
    with this I agree 100%. life isn't fair. some people are born smarter or more athletic or better looking, etc than others. some people are born into richer families than others. contrary to popular belief we are NOT all created equal.

    my whole problem with the "rich aren't paying their fair share" squeals is that it usually comes from those who are paying little or nothing themselves and just want to punish the rich for being "luckier" than they are...or to get more "free" stuff handed to them.

    I was not born rich and I am far from rich now. I have worked hard to provide a comfortable life for myself and my family. It pisses me off to see some "poor" person cry that I should work even harder so that they can have a better life. or worse yet, see some douchebag on the interweb (who is probably richer than I am) say the same.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    with this I agree 100%. life isn't fair. some people are born smarter or more athletic or better looking, etc than others. some people are born into richer families than others. contrary to popular belief we are NOT all created equal.
    No we're not created equal. But that doesn't mean anyone should be treated like dirt, either. It takes everyone to make this country work, not just some or a special few.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    my whole problem with the "rich aren't paying their fair share" squeals is that it usually comes from those who are paying little or nothing themselves and just want to punish the rich for being "luckier" than they are...or to get more "free" stuff handed to them.
    I think on this forum that's a huge and most likely false assumption. I know I'm not getting stuff for free. I've worked decades to get what I've got, I've made a fairly good living, and I'm ready to settle back and relax to some extent. I expect my SSA investment to be returned some day but other than that I'm happy with what I've done and where I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I was not born rich and I am far from rich now. I have worked hard to provide a comfortable life for myself and my family. It pisses me off to see some "poor" person cry that I should work even harder so that they can have a better life. or worse yet, see some douchebag on the interweb (who is probably richer than I am) say the same.
    The latter is the worst sort in my book. That "poor little rich me" routine makes me sick. I also don't expect to support people forever, either, but I understand people get into binds once in awhile and see no problem helping them out for a short while.

    I also know that what we're seeing now is almost beyond living memory. Only the oldest of the old remember the Great Depression, and these times are second only to those times as far as general hardship goes. For the rich or even slightly affluent to get on their high horse at times like these - well, it certainly shows their true and disgusting colors.



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    I don't like the idea of people being on unemployment for 3 years but I'm also fairly sure if the jobs were there they'd be filled quickly enough. When there are 4 people for each job you can't expect everyone to "get a job".
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    What I see when I see that graph, and assuming its content as true and correct is the goverment takes too much money. 13% and 16% is too much period. That graph doesnt include all the other taxes that are paid like sales fuel property ect. The government takes way too much at all levels. Its pretty sad when chevron makes 6.2 cents on a gallon of gas and the goverment makes at least 35 cents. I dont care what you think of chevron but no goverment should make more on a product than the people making it.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its pretty sad when chevron makes 6.2 cents on a gallon of gas and the goverment makes at least 35 cents. I dont care what you think of chevron but no goverment should make more on a product than the people making it.
    What a crazy way to think. The government makes no money at all on gasoline. In fact, the government losses money on gasoline because, overall, the amount of gasoline burned driving on government maintained roadways does not return enough money to pay for all the maintenance required, let alone building new roadways or expanding existing ones.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    What I see when I see that graph, and assuming its content as true and correct is the goverment takes too much money. 13% and 16% is too much period. That graph doesnt include all the other taxes that are paid like sales fuel property ect. The government takes way too much at all levels. Its pretty sad when chevron makes 6.2 cents on a gallon of gas and the goverment makes at least 35 cents. I dont care what you think of chevron but no goverment should make more on a product than the people making it.

    I can see why the uber-rich that care nothing about the economy or their fellow citizens would see it that way.
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