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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    So we have to sacrifice our personal lives and personalities to become workoholic zombies, or else we deserve to be dissatisfied economically? The grind creates greedhead monsters, who become a danger to society, their neglected heirs, and themselves. In order to win a rat race, you have to become a rat. Why become road kill for these racing rodents, who think of themselves as high achievers as they go faster and faster when their obsessive greed grows larger and larger and can never satisfy them? They and the economies they run ragged finally crack up and drain an exhausted national spirit.
    That's the name of the game. The most excellent part is that you don't have to play the game. It's all about your personal desires. If you just have to have all the latest flotsam of "modern life", and buy the adverts hammered into you, then you have to play the game. You won't die without a television, or a cable/satellite subscription. Straight internet connections and computers can be found on the cheap, the deluxe package and speed aren't really necessary. Find a career you love, that doesn't require your absolute bondage, you'll make enough to live a joyous life, free from the constraints of the rat race.

    It's your choice.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You get taxed 10%, I get taxed 10%.
    And what about the guy who can't afford to be taxed 10%? What's he to do?

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    Thats what I want.
    What you want is unrealistic.

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    I prefer the sales tax simply because it affords people the freedom to not pay those taxes if they desire.
    People shouldn't be allowed to simply choose not to pay their taxes, which is why I don't like the idea of a sales tax. Taxes are a necessary evil, and should be collected from as many people as possible. The only thing that's going to happen if we switch to a sales tax is that consumer spending will go down, as people stop buying things they don't really need to avoid the tax, and then in order to make the same amount of total revenue, the tax rate would need to be raised, which would cause spending to go down further, requiring the tax rate to go up again, etc.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The most total tax anyone should have to pay is 10%.
    You're delusional if you think that local, state, and federal governments put together can get by on a combined tax rate of 10%.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not saying everyone will be stuck doing menial labor for ****ty money their whole lives. I'm saying that over time, the number of people doing menial labor for ****ty money will remain roughly constant. As people get older and advance into more lucrative positions, new young people will take their places. And since (as far as I know) it's not legal to defer your taxes for 20 years until you make a decent salary, some consideration needs to be given for the people in menial jobs making crappy money, even though later in life they might be better off. Which is really the point I'm trying to make.

    When determining tax rates, it doesn't really matter if a family that's only making $25,000 a year is going to be making $50,000 a year in 10 years. They're making $25,000 a year now, and taxes need to take that into consideration.
    The simple and effective way to deal with that "income disparity" is by using the "standard" deduction; by exempting the first $10K from FIT and applying a single rate of 20% taxation to all income above that point you get a "fair" yet "progressive" basis for taxation. Consider the following example: Citizen A makes $20K/year, while citizen B makes $100K/year; Citizen A pays $2K in taxes or 10% of their gross income, while citizen B pays $18K in taxes or 18% of their gross income. Wasn't that easy and "fair"? A FIT code with only two numbers, won't the lobbyists be mad?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Define 'receive'. Is there some magic gifting program from the federal money fairy that is 'giving' the 1% their income? Or the top 7%? Cuz...funny...I thought we EARNED it.
    re·ceive   [ri-seev] Show IPA verb, re·ceived, re·ceiv·ing.
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    to take into one's possession (something offered or delivered).

    When one receives income, one takes it into one's possession. There is nothing inherent in the word receive that suggests that it was given and not earned. One can receive a paycheck as easily as a gift.

    Now did you have an actual point to make related to the subject at hand, or do you just want to nitpick over word choice? Because I have no interest in doing the latter.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    And what about the guy who can't afford to be taxed 10%? What's he to do?



    What you want is unrealistic.



    People shouldn't be allowed to simply choose not to pay their taxes, which is why I don't like the idea of a sales tax. Taxes are a necessary evil, and should be collected from as many people as possible. The only thing that's going to happen if we switch to a sales tax is that consumer spending will go down, as people stop buying things they don't really need to avoid the tax, and then in order to make the same amount of total revenue, the tax rate would need to be raised, which would cause spending to go down further, requiring the tax rate to go up again, etc.
    Nonsense, Texas has property, school and sales taxes, yet no income tax. Sales are quite brisk here in the lone star state, with an over 8% sales tax on all non-food items.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not saying everyone will be stuck doing menial labor for ****ty money their whole lives. I'm saying that over time, the number of people doing menial labor for ****ty money will remain roughly constant. As people get older and advance into more lucrative positions, new young people will take their places. And since (as far as I know) it's not legal to defer your taxes for 20 years until you make a decent salary, some consideration needs to be given for the people in menial jobs making crappy money, even though later in life they might be better off. Which is really the point I'm trying to make.

    When determining tax rates, it doesn't really matter if a family that's only making $25,000 a year is going to be making $50,000 a year in 10 years. They're making $25,000 a year now, and taxes need to take that into consideration.
    Wow I was way off on my understanding of what you trying to get at. Thanks for clearing it up. You know I see your point, and it would apply with tax rates at their current levels. My personal opinion on the matter is simply lower the rates to 10% tax total or less and exempt food and medicine. Keep the total bite 10% or less and those making less will be able to gather the resources necessary to move quicker into finacial independence. I think that if you talk to anyone they want finacial indepence. To be able to not worry about were their going get the money to do x y or z. The problem with our current tax code is it hinders people in achieving that independence. It sucks up money that would otherwise used elsewhere. Think about the national debt for a moment. That is money that otherwise be invested elsewhere. If just half that money was flowing in our economy think of were we would be now.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The simple and effective way to deal with that "income disparity" is by using the "standard" deduction; by exempting the first $10K from FIT and applying a single rate of 20% taxation to all income
    I've considered that solution many times actually. I love the simplicity of it, but I'm of the opinion that it's one of those ideas that is too simple to work in reality. If the point is for the deduction to take into account the cost of basic necessities, that's difficult to do with a standard deduction, because the cost of basic necessities isn't standard. Basic necessities for a family of four cost more than basic necessities for a family of two. Basic necessities in large cities cost more than basic necessities in rural areas. You could handle that with a standard deduction, but it would mean setting the standard deduction relatively high, otherwise families with a lot of kids, or who live in areas with a high cost of living would still get screwed over. And then you have the situation that we have now, where a lot of people who could afford to pay some taxes, even if it isn't a lot, aren't paying everything. That's why I think the deduction for cost of living needs to be based at minimum on family size (though there should probably be an upper limit). Basing it on geographic area could be useful too, but that's considerably more complicated, and probably has less of an effect on cost of living than family size does, so it could probably be left out without causing much problem.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Wow I was way off on my understanding of what you trying to get at. Thanks for clearing it up. You know I see your point, and it would apply with tax rates at their current levels. My personal opinion on the matter is simply lower the rates to 10% tax total or less and exempt food and medicine. Keep the total bite 10% or less and those making less will be able to gather the resources necessary to move quicker into finacial independence. I think that if you talk to anyone they want finacial indepence. To be able to not worry about were their going get the money to do x y or z. The problem with our current tax code is it hinders people in achieving that independence. It sucks up money that would otherwise used elsewhere. Think about the national debt for a moment. That is money that otherwise be invested elsewhere. If just half that money was flowing in our economy think of were we would be now.
    It would be fantastic if we could have a total combined tax rate of 10%. I simply don't think that's anywhere near realistic. Even if you believe in small government, and going back to the very basics that were explicitly allowed of the federal government in the constitution, I don't think a combined tax rate of 10% would be enough to support local, state, and federal governments combined.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    You're delusional if you think that local, state, and federal governments put together can get by on a combined tax rate of 10%.
    They cant get by with what we give em now. We could give em everything we have and those twits couldnt get by. I really dont feel an ounce of sympathy for the government twits. They can cut spending like the real world does.
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