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Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 48.3%
  • No

    Votes: 62 51.7%

  • Total voters
    120
does it sound fair that a guy who paid for 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school should be taxed at a higher rate than some guy who graduated HS and went to work at mickey Ds, simply because he makes more?


that's the part you bleeding hearts alway ignore. for the most part (trustfund babies excluded) most of the rich people are rich because they worked harder or smarter to get there.


I was born into a poor family. I worked hard and got good grades in HS and got academic scholarships to help pay for college. I worked a full time job and worked my class schedule around my job. Is it fair for me to pay to support some guy who had the same opportunities as I and chose not to take advantage of them
Yes, because you owe something to society for rewarding slavish workoholic freaks instead of people with talent (unless it is in athletics). A "self-made man" is someone who hates himself by sacrificing his personal life to get ahead. He also hates his father for not becoming rich and spoiling him. Despite your pretended class resentment at trust-fund babies, you too will make sure that your own children will never have to go through what you had to. You preach to the rest of us to make it on our own, but will never tell that to your own children.
 
Yes, because you owe something to society for rewarding slavish workoholic freaks instead of people with talent (unless it is in athletics). A "self-made man" is someone who hates himself by sacrificing his personal life to get ahead. He also hates his father for not becoming rich and spoiling him. Despite your pretended class resentment at trust-fund babies, you too will make sure that your own children will never have to go through what you had to. You preach to the rest of us to make it on our own, but will never tell that to your own children.
I guess that's why when my oldest son lost his scholarship because he'd rather chase tail than go to class, i told him to get a job and kicked him out of the house. I guess that's why I took my daughter down to the recruiter and signed her up with the NG. Once they turned 18, my kids were on their own.Unlike you and yours, i hold myself and my family to the same standards I hold everyone else.
 
It addresses the OP, showing that the rich have received far greater tax rate cuts than the lower classes.
Do you believe that the tax code should never ever get less progressive?
 
The Poor Lives of Rich People

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"If one thing is clear about rich people, it's not that their lives are any easier than the rest of ours. In fact, if anything, it's hard to have money. Really hard. Bloomberg's Max Abelson recently interviewed a bunch of Wall Street folks who got smaller bonuses this year, and as their comments indicate, more money either really does mean more problems, or it means that a wealthy person's sense of reality is just that much further off. Certainly, the expectation of more money when one is getting less money -- Goldman Sachs and Barclay's, for example, both cut discretionary pay at least 25 percent for 2011 -- really makes rich people say the craziest things!

For example:

* “I feel stuck,” [director of marketing for broker-dealer Euro Pacific Capital Inc. Andrew] Schiff said. “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.” How so? "Paid a lower bonus, he said the $350,000 he earns, enough to put him in the country’s top 1 percent by income, doesn’t cover his family’s private-school tuition, a Kent, Connecticut, summer rental and the upgrade they would like from their 1,200-square- foot Brooklyn duplex."

* “People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress,” said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”

* “It’s a disaster,” said Ilana Weinstein, chief executive officer of New York-based search firm IDW Group LLC. “The entire construct of compensation has changed.”

"The one thing that might mitigate this would be for rich folks to move to what would seem to be the next human level of thinking: Oh, if I have it bad, someone poorer must have it really bad. It doesn't seem that is happening, at least not here (nor in attempts to say poor people are actually doing great). Maybe that sort of public acknowledgment is too much to hope for, given that rich people also apparently like to take candy from babies. It's psychology, they can't help it! Poor things.

The Poor Lives of Rich People - Entertainment - The Atlantic Wire
If someone has a good life and a lot of money, that money should be mine.
 
If someone has a good life and a lot of money, that money should be mine.


And therein lies the root of the problem. Too many people believe that simply by being born they somehow deserve the same things that others have.
 
I think the real problem is the Liberal mindset that believes that the value of all labor belongs to the Government First, and the person working is "allowed" to keep what they think is fair.
This is contrary to my own beliefs, that the individual earns the value of their own labor,
taxes are necessary but should be kept to the minimum necessary to protect the nation.
Our Government has not been chartered to engage in charity!
 
And I guess this also 'addresses the OP, showing that the rich have received far greater tax rate cuts than the lower classes'. How?

I would appear to be a fluff piece to promote envy and resentment toward those who are better off. Would this not increase the divide that the ‘right’ is persistently accused of? And this helps how?

Its a good humor piece about the very serious income equality issues that are going to be a big factor in the upcoming election for all the working class that are feeling the pain from that divide, whether you yourself are feeling the pain or not.
 
Do you believe that the tax code should never ever get less progressive?

Its already gotten sharply less progressive during the last 30 years. I agree with the majority of the country, we need to eliminate some of the tax cuts for the rich that are not producing jobs in this country.
 
It addresses the OP, showing that the rich have received far greater tax rate cuts than the lower classes.


how could people who don't pay federal income taxes get a larger cut than those who pay over a million a year?
 
why do they always talk about wealthy CEOs or hedgefund managers and never mention the hollywood libs that make millions per year or the pro athletes that make millions or rappers or any other rich bitch entertainer?


because those rappers and hollyweird types

1) tend to support liberals
2) don't have the same path to success that your average CEO or wall street lawyer has.

in many cases its blind luck or who you sleep with that works for entertainers and with athletes its the gene pool lottery. Those type of rich people allow the left to pretend everyone who got rich basically lucked into it
 
in many cases its blind luck or who you sleep with that works for entertainers and with athletes its the gene pool lottery. Those type of rich people allow the left to pretend everyone who got rich basically lucked into it

We know very well that some rich people were simply fortunate enough to be born into wealth and they became charter members of the Silk Diaper Crowd at birth.
 
We know very well that some rich people were simply fortunate enough to be born into wealth and they became charter members of the Silk Diaper Crowd at birth.

So you would recommend the gov't to do just what about that? It makes no difference whether wealth comes from winning a lottery, finding burried pirate treasure or is "earned" by selling a patent. One has a right to their property, no matter how they (legally) got it or in what in form it currently exists.
 
We know very well that some rich people were simply fortunate enough to be born into wealth and they became charter members of the Silk Diaper Crowd at birth.

that still does not entitle you or the dem masters you serve, to any of their wealth.
 
So you would recommend the gov't to do just what about that? It makes no difference whether wealth comes from winning a lottery, finding burried pirate treasure or is "earned" by selling a patent. One has a right to their property, no matter how they (legally) got it or in what in form it currently exists.


when pressed, the wealth stealers really don't care. they will find a way to justify parasitic government behavior no matter what

1) if you inherited money that your father worked hard to earn, and that he paid taxes on-you should be heavily taxed because you "did not earn" the money.

2) if you made it in business-you probably exploited your workers etc

3) if you are a great athlete-you were born with good genes

4) and of course-other people helped you make it no matter what

as long as the money is in your hands, and not theirs they will either want it for themselves or if that doesn't work, they want the government to take it

its sort of like that great line in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY where the Russian agent is trying to buy a british code machine and Bond throws it off the cliff

If we cannot have it, you cannot have it is what he tells the KGB colonel
 
when pressed, the wealth stealers really don't care. they will find a way to justify parasitic government behavior no matter what

True.

The Left loves the American Dream until someone is living it.
Then, well... that person isn't paying their fair share.
 
So you would recommend the gov't to do just what about that? It makes no difference whether wealth comes from winning a lottery, finding burried pirate treasure or is "earned" by selling a patent. One has a right to their property, no matter how they (legally) got it or in what in form it currently exists.

That's what estate taxes are for silly. THe U.S. Govt. has a "right" to a piece of whatever you aquire but money is not the really the reason for estate taxes. There is a nasty tendency for the capitalist system to concentrate wealth in fewer and fewer individuals. There is a societal "need" to control this tendency or we will crash the whole system. Remember that 75% of our economy is consumer spending Maldistribution's effects are showing now but the Fed has controlled the effects by printing trillions to replace the money "lost" when it transfered into the hands of the wealthiest investors. Why isn't printing all that money causing inflation? Because it only prevented massive DEFLATION as the money was sucked out in the 2008 crash.
 
"Why shouldn't the American people take half my money from me? I took it all from them."

- Edward Filene, founder of Filene's Department Stores
 
Employees make the business run. Ownership is static, work is dynamic--to use a right-wing expression that, like all their other mantras, is never used against them.

Huhhhhhh??????????:confused: You apprently have NO clue as to how business works. Ownership is static? whats that supposed to mean? I have no idea what you are trying to convea.
 
LOL You want to "punish" consumers for buying in a economy that is 75 % consumer spending. You love recessions that much?
Taxing income NOT spent is the only way to grow a consumer economy. You have it EXACTLY backwards.
Its already taxed.:roll:
 
Its already taxed.:roll:

the parasite advocates are erecting facades. They pretend that their tax the rich schemes are motivated by something other than envy and economic vandalism
 
AND???:roll:
And, what? Did you loose track of the conversation? Increasing sales taxes will decrease consumer spending. Vehicles are an excellent example. Raise the price of cars and there will be fewer cars sold. That's basic economics. I would have expected a business genius like yourself to understand that without explanation.
 
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