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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Dude you need to read the rest of my tread. Really.
    No, not really. You've made your opinion all too clear.

    The problem is the same as it's always been. The rich want one standard for themselves and another for everyone else. Nothing new to see here ...
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that would mena poorer people pay more, carry more of the burden.
    The OP didn't ask about practicality or doing the least harm. It asked about fairness, and I gave the obvious answer.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No, not really. You've made your opinion all too clear.

    The problem is the same as it's always been. The rich want one standard for themselves and another for everyone else. Nothing new to see here ...
    As if you don't? You simply think a fair system leaves the "poor" untaxed, the "middle" moderately taxed and the "rich" to be severely taxed to make it "fair". You seem to think that a (flat) single tax RATE is "unfair" even if it has a "standard" deduction of $10K.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess nobody wants to answer so I will post anyhow. If you are offended, too bad. First of all I asked the question how many of you own a business or run one because I wanted to know if any of you have any true idea of the tax code is and why it is so convoluted, to use a mild term. If you are employed you are being taxed the highest, by PAYING your taxes FIRST then SPENDING what is left over SECOND. Businesses on the other hand SPEND their money FIRST, then PAY taxes on the leftovers SECOND. Most people who are in congress are fairly wealthy, and they wish to keep it. Most congressmen did NOT make their money being EMPLOYED. They did it though investing, or owning a buisness, or inherintence. Hence the laws are going to be such that they will be able to keep and make more wealth. If you are employed you will most likely NEVER gain any appreaciable wealth. To gain wealth requires calculated risk by investment, in youself, or others. Thats just the way things are rigged in this country. I am the owner of a corporation, I pay as little tax as I possibly can leagaly. Most of my money that I spend is BEFORE it is taxed. This gives me a huge advantage over someone who is just employed as I reduce my gross income down to a fraction of that of the employed person, with that spending. The courts say I have absolutely no obligation to pay more. I will not. I would rather spend my money on assets or with other people, then spend it on the goverment. I consider my self taxed too much because I have to spend so much time considering the Tax ramifications of anything I do. I have to employ accountants and lawers to make help me take advantage of every tax loophole or exculsion I can. This is money I can use otherwise to upgrade equipment, employ people and sponser more charities. This is time and effort that could be used to be more productive and take advantage of more opportunities.

    If I am going to be miserable, I d rather be wealthy. I dont know anyone who does not want to be wealthy. Wealth is FREEDOM. The goal of every American ought to be Finacially independent and then free. Wealth allows you the freendom to stand up for yourself, your priciples.

    Taxes in my opinion should be no more then 10% total all inclusive on your SPENDING. That includes state and local taxes. If its good enough for god, its good enough for goverment. The locals would collect it and keep 40% and pass the rest to the state. The state would then keep 50% and give 50% to the feds. The totals would break down this way Locals get 40%, state and feds get 30% each, for a total of 100%. The tax would be on all NEW goods and on services. No exemptions. No other tax or fee or other goverment revenue collection would be allowed. The locals would have their state by the short and curlies, and the states would have the feds by the short and curlys as well. This would apply to everyone and every business. Sweet and simple, and equitable.

    Thats my take. Cheers.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No, not really. You've made your opinion all too clear.

    The problem is the same as it's always been. The rich want one standard for themselves and another for everyone else. Nothing new to see here ...
    Wrong. Again. I prefer freedom. For me, for you, for everyone else. What you do is your business so long as you dont interfear with mine. You set YOUR standards however you like. I could really care less. I want to be left alone, to pursue what makes me happy. If I dont interfear with you and your happiness what do you care about what I do or how much I make? Taxes should be applied equally. You get taxed 10%, I get taxed 10%. Thats what I want. I prefer the sales tax simply because it affords people the freedom to not pay those taxes if they desire. The government does not steal directly from your paycheck. Which as far as I am concerned is a huge plus. Income taxes can only be avoided by not having an income. By the way I am not "rich", I am wealthy. There is a difference. I EARNED EVERY penny I have, by busting my butt. This is why I despise thieves. The only good ones are hanging from trees.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As if you don't? You simply think a fair system leaves the "poor" untaxed, the "middle" moderately taxed and the "rich" to be severely taxed to make it "fair". You seem to think that a (flat) single tax RATE is "unfair" even if it has a "standard" deduction of $10K.
    I don't believe you will find anywhere that I said that. If so please show post#, otherwise, please stick to the facts instead of making crap up.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The rich want one standard for themselves and another for everyone else. Nothing new to see here ...
    Not true at all. I simply wish to be left the **** alone, but since I'm in a certain tax bracket, some people just won't rest until every dime my family has belongs to the government. Those people can eat a bowl of dicks.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Wrong. Again. I prefer freedom. For me, for you, for everyone else. What you do is your business so long as you dont interfear with mine. You set YOUR standards however you like. I could really care less. I want to be left alone, to pursue what makes me happy. If I dont interfear with you and your happiness what do you care about what I do or how much I make? Taxes should be applied equally. You get taxed 10%, I get taxed 10%. Thats what I want. I prefer the sales tax simply because it affords people the freedom to not pay those taxes if they desire. The government does not steal directly from your paycheck. Which as far as I am concerned is a huge plus. Income taxes can only be avoided by not having an income. By the way I am not "rich", I am wealthy. There is a difference. I EARNED EVERY penny I have, by busting my butt. This is why I despise thieves. The only good ones are hanging from trees.
    (emphasis added)

    Read: "If you don't want to pay taxes then don't buy anything!"

    Exactly what I said earlier, discourage people from buying.


    A long-ass paragraph with pretty graphics (gee, did the wife 'pic' those for you?) to say exactly the same thing over, and over, and over. Are you going to do it again?!?!? I'll paste and copy my response next time.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Not true at all. I simply wish to be left the **** alone,
    Then find an island.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then find an island.
    I'm not going to flee in the face of adversity. I'm also not going to give in to the demands of the self entitled generation.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its not a lottery in this country. It is a fallacy to presume that every one that is a janitor or a store clerk is going to remain so for the rest of their lives. That is the furthest thing from the truth. Yes we need janitors and et all, but what makes you think that they will not eventualy own they own janitorial service, or retail store, or burger joint? You think all those businesses are owned by the "rich". The biggest business in America today is Small business. Mom and pop business. Owning gas stations, and stores, and janitorial services.
    Not everyone wants to be a doctor or lawyer. By the way out of all the doctors and lawyers you have met, how many were truly wealthy? News flash most people in business dont work 40 hours a week. If they did they wouldnt be in business long. They routinely work 80 hrs a week or more. In other words they bust their butts to get ahead. If you cant make it in this country you cant make it anywhere. All it requires in this country is the willingness to bust your ass. Period. You dont need special knowledge or a even a degree. Hell you dont even have to finish high school. Its a matter of making reasonably decent choices and comiting yourself to a course of action. That is it. Anybody can make money in this country. Will you have as much as Bill Gates probably not. Will you be able to be finacially free? Hell Yea. ANYONE CAN DO IT IF THEY PUT THEIR MIND TO IT.
    So we have to sacrifice our personal lives and personalities to become workoholic zombies, or else we deserve to be dissatisfied economically? The grind creates greedhead monsters, who become a danger to society, their neglected heirs, and themselves. In order to win a rat race, you have to become a rat. Why become road kill for these racing rodents, who think of themselves as high achievers as they go faster and faster when their obsessive greed grows larger and larger and can never satisfy them? They and the economies they run ragged finally crack up and drain an exhausted national spirit.
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