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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Sneak in that FICA (at the self employed rate no less), to make your apples to moonrocks "FACT" comparison work out. By the way, that $80K guy actually pays FIT at 10.2% assuming married filing jointly (no kids), or 12% filing single.

    For FIT "FACT" try this site: 2012 federal income tax estimator | Calculators by CalcXML

    How many people are employed as a result of that $80K guy? I tend to get hired by rich people, help wanted ads are rarely the result of poor folks needing to hire well paid help.
    Yes taxes are taxes. ALL of them. Rich only pay 16%. We pay lots more. Now include gas tax to get to work, property taxes etc etc etc .

    So I was rounding.......close enough.

    $80 of personal income is NEVER then paid to living wages. It is PERSONAL income.
    Kind of like the puppets of the RICH like to confuse PERSONAL INCOME taxes and the UNTAXED income of the corp that then goes to wages.
    The REAL choice is does the money go to wages OR PERSONAL income of the RICH. High taxes on high wages will help raise wages for the worker.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Yes taxes are taxes. ALL of them. Rich only pay 16%. We pay lots more. Now include gas tax to get to work, property taxes etc etc etc .

    So I was rounding.......close enough.

    $80 of personal income is NEVER then paid to living wages. It is PERSONAL income.
    Kind of like the puppets of the RICH like to confuse PERSONAL INCOME taxes and the UNTAXED income of the corp that then goes to wages.
    The REAL choice is does the money go to wages OR PERSONAL income of the RICH. High taxes on high wages will help raise wages for the worker.
    that is nonsense. High taxes on high wages does not raise the wages of workers

    where did you come up with this bs?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Yes taxes are taxes. ALL of them. Rich only pay 16%. We pay lots more. Now include gas tax to get to work, property taxes etc etc etc .

    So I was rounding.......close enough.

    $80 of personal income is NEVER then paid to living wages. It is PERSONAL income.
    Kind of like the puppets of the RICH like to confuse PERSONAL INCOME taxes and the UNTAXED income of the corp that then goes to wages.
    The REAL choice is does the money go to wages OR PERSONAL income of the RICH. High taxes on high wages will help raise wages for the worker.
    It is a big game to the "rich". They have it... they want it... they will lie through their teeth to keep it...
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is a big game to the "rich". They have it... they want it... they will lie through their teeth to keep it...
    It is a big game to the "poor". They don't have it... They want it...(but don't want to have to earn it) they will lie through their teeth to get it...
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    It is a big game to the "poor". They don't have it... They want it...(but don't want to have to earn it) they will lie through their teeth to get it...
    You only have to take a quick glance at the historical record to realize that humanity is vicious and self-destructive when it comes to money. All income brackets are subject to that logic.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You only have to take a quick glance at the historical record to realize that humanity is vicious and self-destructive when it comes to money. All income brackets are subject to that logic.
    Humans are vicious and self-destructive when it comes to any resource. Those that have it will do anything to keep it. Those that don't will do anything to get it. It is engrained in human nature. There will always be haves and have nots. And the have nots will always vilify the haves and claim that they have too much or came by it unfairly. The haves will always vilify the have nots and accuse them of sloth.

    Life is inherently "unfair", live with it or die. The best you can hope is to get the biggest piece of the pie for yourself.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Humans are vicious and self-destructive when it comes to any resource. Those that have it will do anything to keep it. Those that don't will do anything to get it. It is engrained in human nature. There will always be haves and have nots. And the have nots will always vilify the haves and claim that they have too much or came by it unfairly. The haves will always vilify the have nots and accuse them of sloth.

    Life is inherently "unfair", live with it or die. The best you can hope is to get the biggest piece of the pie for yourself.
    While there is some validity in some of your observations, your comments definitely do NOT apply to all people. Lots of people have made a decision to live modest lives and not simply chase the latest and greatest more and more newer and improved whatever it is of the moment. Lots of people are more that willing to share what they have in terms of increased taxation.

    Your view of getting the biggest piece you can only encourages the worst in human nature. We must listen to our better angles and follow a standard much higher than dog eat dog or screw everybody except me and mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While there is some validity in some of your observations, your comments definitely do NOT apply to all people. Lots of people have made a decision to live modest lives and not simply chase the latest and greatest more and more newer and improved whatever it is of the moment. Lots of people are more that willing to share what they have in terms of increased taxation.
    People do things out of self-interest. Even the benevolent gestures are out f self-interest. Altruism itself is thinly-veiled self-interest.

    Your view of getting the biggest piece you can only encourages the worst in human nature.
    Placing your judgments on human instincts like this is somewhat pointless. Like Christians vilifying sex. Preach all you want, it's a universally human tendency, and in fact it's a universal characteristic of all living things. Survive, thrive, reproduce. "The worst in human nature..." Pff.

    We must listen to our better angles and follow a standard much higher than dog eat dog or screw everybody except me and mine.
    Well I say we must not bankrupt ourselves with exploding debts. it's amazing to relegate self-interest to "the worst of human nature" and speak do negatively about maximizing one's personal success, while seeing little or no problem with using public credit like a manic gambler on a coke binge.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    standard much higher than dog eat dog
    Sounds so similar to the 'anti-dog eat dog' law...

    We are Americans. We are better than that.
    American exceptionalism? I can't remember but wasn't this refuted on this board last week...by one of those on 'your side'?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    The rich will pay the lowest taxes since the Hoover Administration over 80 years ago

    "Today clinched it. American voters can now see for themselves that Republicans are protectorates of the wealthiest and Big Oil — just in case they weren’t aware of this previously. Medicare is taking a dive in order to give the wealthy more dominance over this country.

    The Paul Ryan budget would make life miserable for the elderly, the middle class, and life more cushy for the 1% who will be getting a $265,000 tax cut on top of what they get from the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    Center on Budget and Policy priorities reports:

    The Ryan budget includes a number of specific tax cuts, on top of making the Bush tax cuts permanent. All of its new tax cuts are both expensive and tilted toward high-income households. It would cut the top individual tax rate to 25 percent, the lowest level since the Hoover Administration more than 80 years ago. It would cut the corporate rate to 25 percent and eliminate both the Alternative Minimum Tax and the Affordable Care Act’s increase in the Medicare tax for high-income people.

    A new TPC analysis finds that people with incomes above $1 million would receive a $265,000 average annual tax cut just from the new Ryan proposals (i.e., not counting what they would also receive from extension of the Bush tax cuts). Middle-income taxpayers — those with incomes between $50,000 and $75,000 — would receive $1,045, on average".

    The rich will pay the lowest taxes since the Hoover Administration over 80 years ago – FreakOutNation
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