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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    No I do not. I think if you got rid of loopholes and wound it back to Clinton era they would pay about what they should be paying. As for the rest of us, I think all of us making over $20,000 should be paying more federal taxes than we do right now. I don't want to, but even if we were to bring down war and welfare spending to pre-9/11 levels it would take awhile to balance everything back out and quit borrowing from other countries.
    Absolutely agreed. In my opinion, a true patriot understands that taxation (at reasonably levels) is necessary and vital for a strong and functioning society to flourish. Sometimes taxes must be raised for the good of the nation. While it makes a wonderful political talking point to say you're for "low taxes" and demonize the "organized Left" for raising taxes, it makes for poor governance. While "tax and spend" doesn't sound too good, not taxing and spending as much if not more sounds even worse.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What i find amusing about your constantly babbling is your attitude that the wealth of the nation is owned by the people collectively and that its wrong for the wealth to be used for any purpose other than to appease the masses.

    your advocacy of the massed mediocrity is as hilarious as it is idiotic
    So why did people use oil in this very same manner appeasing the masses?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it interesting that you know claim to speak with one of the other welfare socialists on this board-that is clearly what he implied with his rants about the masses allowing the wealthy to keep what they have
    He never said what you claimed he did. A simple reading of his post clearly shows this.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hm...........
    In the interests of intellectual integrity and honesty could you please reproduce my entire quote with the full sentence and context about helping the poor rather than just a snippet that has been dishonestly selected by you to create an intentionally false impression? A link to the actual post would also enable all to see what exactly was being discussed at the time. So please do provide that link.

    And when you do that you also may want to explain why you would use such a tactic in the first place without either the full quote or the link.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In the interests of intellectual integrity and honesty could you please reproduce my entire quote with the full sentence and context about helping the poor rather than just a snippet that has been dishonestly selected by you to create an intentionally false impression? A link to the actual post would also enable all to see what exactly was being discussed at the time. So please do provide that link.
    happy to do so

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    and you've still yet to explain to me why - since we are fixing the system anyway - you aren't willing to help our working poor achieve financial independance.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    as to helping the poor and financial independence ---- that is not my fight at this point in time.
    Indeed it's not. You have public sector union's ability to extract wealth from their hosts to fight for.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    happy to do so



    Indeed it's not. You have public sector union's ability to extract wealth from their hosts to fight for.
    Thank you. When you go back and read that thread it is clear that I was speaking about YOUR PLAN which you believed was a good idea to give the poor financial independence. I was NOT making derogatory or demeaning or insulting or just plain bitchy comments about the poor or their condition as others do on these forums.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you. When you go back and read that thread it is clear that I was speaking about YOUR PLAN which you believed was a good idea to give the poor financial independence. I was NOT making derogatory or demeaning or insulting or just plain bitchy comments about the poor or their condition as others do on these forums.
    While I agree with you it doesn't seem derogatory, demeaning, insulting or bitchy it does seem uncompassionate which is the reference CP made. Paraphrasing ‘not my fight for the poor or their financial independence’…does that sound compassionate to you? What if a ‘right winger’ said it how would you interpret it?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    While I agree with you it doesn't seem derogatory, demeaning, insulting or bitchy it does seem uncompassionate which is the reference CP made. Paraphrasing ‘not my fight for the poor or their financial independence’…does that sound compassionate to you? What if a ‘right winger’ said it how would you interpret it?
    As I have stated, if you go back and read the pages preceding the snippet taken out of context, it becomes crystal clear that I was talking about the scheme offered by CP for the poor to gain what he believed would be their financial independence.

    You are correct - that little snippet used by cp does indeed give one the impression that I was uncompassionate. And that was the intent of using it in that fashion.

    I also have no doubt that when the poster ran the tiny snippet without a link or the whole context of it, they knew exactly what they were doing and why they were doing it. One of his fellow travelers - Turtledude - had been called out. So he attempted to play the white knight on horseback coming to his aid and support.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As I have stated, if you go back and read the pages preceding the snippet taken out of context, it becomes crystal clear that I was talking about the scheme offered by CP for the poor to gain what he believed would be their financial independence.
    I DID read some of the pages...and I do understand your point...IMO your comment didn't sound compassionate...

    I also have no doubt that when cp ran the tiny snippet without a link or the whole context of it, he knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. One of his fellow travelers - Turtledude - had been called out. So he attempted to play the white knight on horseback coming to his aid and support.
    No doubt either, I saw it as a little 'friendly tweeking'...you are SO sensitive...I have noted you playing the ‘white knight’ before so be careful ‘throwing stones’.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I DID read some of the pages...and I do understand your point...IMO your comment didn't sound compassionate...



    No doubt either, I saw it as a little 'friendly tweeking'...you are SO sensitive...I have noted you playing the ‘white knight’ before so be careful ‘throwing stones’.
    Being a white knight is a very good thing when you are on the side of pure good and against total evil.

    Your point is taken and noted.
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