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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Fantasy land mutterings again. I don't even know who Faris is. Must be someone on the DNC hit list
    You either outright lie or you have the worst memory on this board.

    Faris is the Tweedle-dum to the Tweedle-dee of Luntz - you remember now don't you? After all, I have provided their names to you dozens and dozens of times in post after post after post when you bring up their favorite neologism for inheritance taxes. You slavishly follow their orders so perhaps you should try to remember the names of your masters.

    Or at least be honest about it.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Has anyone here considered the endpoint of a progressive tax system designed
    to redistribute the wealth?
    I think everyone will agree, our Government has the authority to set a minimum wage.
    This fact also implies the Government has the authority to set a maximum wage.
    Alright progressives, what is the maximum total compensation any person should be
    allowed per year?
    Good point. This is where the left will dare not go. I have asked many times to define what IS fair taxation. I have proposed taxing income from ALL sources (including LTCG and interst/dividends) at a SINGLE rate (of say 20%) and giving each FIT payer a "standard" deduction of say $20K. An income tax system with only two numbers is "fair", in that it is both flat and progressive. I have yet to see any proposals (except from Haymarket) that describe/propose an alternative "fair" FIT system.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And if ten million unemployed were as industriousness and lucky as you then we would have twenty million more businesses in America just like yours, right???
    I don't care what they do. That is up to them. Opportunity exists. If by "industrious" you mean figuring out how to eat and pay the mortgage...

    My entire claim throughout this thread is that people like you would rather cast the blame of a bad situation on successful people, rather than taking responsibilty for their own lives and figuring out how to be successful themselves.

    If you aren't "industrious" enough to figure out that there are ways to earn money while you are unemplopyed, and you are just sitting around blaming the rich for your predicament, then your situation is YOUR FAULT, because YOU are doing nothing to improve it. The governement isn't the answer to this country's ills. Personal responsibilty is.

    If we cut off all the food stamps, welfare, and housing assistance, you would see just how "industrious" Americans would get. People all over this country are just wallowing in the "safety net." If it were removed, people would begin to see how life really is... that you better learn to be "industrious," because if you don't, you will starve to death.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Has anyone here considered the endpoint of a progressive tax system designed
    to redistribute the wealth?
    I think everyone will agree, our Government has the authority to set a minimum wage.
    This fact also implies the Government has the authority to set a maximum wage.
    Alright progressives, what is the maximum total compensation any person should be
    allowed per year?
    I do not think there should be a maximum.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Good point. This is where the left will dare not go. I have asked many times to define what IS fair taxation. I have proposed taxing income from ALL sources (including LTCG and interst/dividends) at a SINGLE rate (of say 20%) and giving each FIT payer a "standard" deduction of say $20K. An income tax system with only two numbers is "fair", in that it is both flat and progressive. I have yet to see any proposals (except from Haymarket) that describe/propose an alternative "fair" FIT system.
    The term FAIR should be abolished in discussions about taxation. APPROPRIATE is a more apt term.

    Yes, lets tax capital gains and inheritance at normal rates - but they need to follow the progressive schedule. Perhaps three or four basic rates starting at 5% for everyone who earns dollar one and topping at 40% for the top rate with a couple in between that. I would favor very few if any deductions - perhaps something for medical expenses if we do NOT have national health care but that would be about it.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    I don't care what they do. That is up to them. Opportunity exists. If by "industrious" you mean figuring out how to eat and pay the mortgage...

    My entire claim throughout this thread is that people like you would rather cast the blame of a bad situation on successful people, rather than taking responsibilty for their own lives and figuring out how to be successful themselves.

    If you aren't "industrious" enough to figure out that there are ways to earn money while you are unemplopyed, and you are just sitting around blaming the rich for your predicament, then your situation is YOUR FAULT, because YOU are doing nothing to improve it. The governement isn't the answer to this country's ills. Personal responsibilty is.

    If we cut off all the food stamps, welfare, and housing assistance, you would see just how "industrious" Americans would get. People all over this country are just wallowing in the "safety net." If it were removed, people would begin to see how life really is... that you better learn to be "industrious," because if you don't, you will starve to death.
    As someone who has actually been broke enough to be hungry not willingly, I will say it is an excellent motivational tool.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Tax System Seen as Unfair, in Need of Overhaul

    Wealthy Not Paying Fair Share Top Complaint

    "Public dissatisfaction with the tax system has grown over the past decade, and the focus of the public’s frustration is not how much they themselves pay, but rather the impression that wealthy people are not paying their fair share."

    "The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Dec. 7-11, 2011 among 1,521 adults, finds that this sense of unfairness centers on the perception that wealthy Americans are not paying their fair share of taxes; 57% say this is what bothers them most about the tax system, while half as many (28%) point to the complexity of the system, and just 11% say that the high amount they have to pay is what bothers them the most."


    Tax System Seen as Unfair, in Need of Overhaul | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Tax System Seen as Unfair, in Need of Overhaul

    Wealthy Not Paying Fair Share Top Complaint

    "Public dissatisfaction with the tax system has grown over the past decade, and the focus of the public’s frustration is not how much they themselves pay, but rather the impression that wealthy people are not paying their fair share."

    "The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Dec. 7-11, 2011 among 1,521 adults, finds that this sense of unfairness centers on the perception that wealthy Americans are not paying their fair share of taxes; 57% say this is what bothers them most about the tax system, while half as many (28%) point to the complexity of the system, and just 11% say that the high amount they have to pay is what bothers them the most."


    Tax System Seen as Unfair, in Need of Overhaul | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
    I guess this proves propaganda works!

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As someone who has actually been broke enough to be hungry not willingly, I will say it is an excellent motivational tool.
    Ditto . . .

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I guess this proves propaganda works!
    It just proves that a majority in the country understands that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top, out of reach of most consumers.
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