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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its amazing-economists' predictions rate right next to weather forecasters in terms of accuracy.

    why do you think wealth is concentrated at the top? I bet you think it is due to government not taking enough away-in other words you don't blame the indolent middle class and the poor but only the government and the rich.

    Its like saying that Nadal, ND and Federer cheat the rest of the tennis players out of grand trophies rather than criticizing the other players for not training as hard as the champions or not having as strong a mental game

    One of the reasons our forefathers wisely instituted the progressive tax rate was to prevent accumulation of wealth at the top, which tends to cause growth stagnation and poverty.

    There is no indolent middle class, that is only a figment of a very biased mind. There is only the middle class that has been suffering from the effects of supply side economics and financial deregulation.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    One of the reasons our forefathers wisely instituted the progressive tax rate was to prevent accumulation of wealth at the top, which tends to cause growth stagnation and poverty.

    There is no indolent middle class, that is only a figment of a very biased mind. There is only the middle class that has been suffering from the effects of supply side economics and financial deregulation.
    you need to prove that oozing nonsense. The progressive tax rate was imposed so politicians could buy what they want and only piss off a few percentage of the voters.

    its a classic case of buying the support of many peters by robbing a few paula

    Its political cowardice because making everyone pay for what the politicians use to buy their votes would lose the politicians elections


    your almost religious reverence for the progressive tax is hilarious.


    You starting with the welfare socialists as "forefathers" is telling as to your understanding of history

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you need to prove that oozing nonsense. The progressive tax rate was imposed so politicians could buy what they want and only piss off a few percentage of the voters.

    its a classic case of buying the support of many peters by robbing a few paula

    Its political cowardice because making everyone pay for what the politicians use to buy their votes would lose the politicians elections


    your almost religious reverence for the progressive tax is hilarious.


    You starting with the welfare socialists as "forefathers" is telling as to your understanding of history

    The democrats are going to bribe us with jobs that pay a living wage with affordable health care??? Beats the hell out continuing to take it up the ass so the rich can get an even bigger tax cut while the economy goes down the toilet!
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The democrats are going to bribe us with jobs that pay a living wage with affordable health care??? Beats the hell out continuing to take it up the ass so the rich can get an even bigger tax cut while the economy goes down the toilet!
    government should have no role in what wages you are paid. If your definition of a living wage is say 40K a year, you need to have the skills to earn such a wage. Rather than pissing and moaning that you deserve it even if you are only worth 25K a year

    Your constant whining about the rich I believe is an indicator that you understand you don't have the ability to gain the wages you think you are entitled to

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for you opinion anonymous internet guy, but I understand as one of the most frequently cited economists in the world does, that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of society's wealth is at the top, out of reach of the majority of consumers.
    But Stiglitz said it himself “inequality in America has been widening for decades.” "Decades" meaning 20 or more years, correct? I have consistently heard (from those on the left) how the ‘Clinton years’ were what we need to go back to. Remind me again who many years ago that was. OR has this ‘out of reach of the majority of consumers’ a recent phenomenon?...which of course would negate Stiglitz statement.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah right, we want to ride our fox hunting horses over you peasants. There is that fixation with neologisms. You found a wiki definition that sounded impressive and you have beaten the dead horse until its hamburger
    What I found was you obeying the orders of your corporate masters and their sycophants Luntz & Faris and dutifully repeating the neologism you were ordered to use whenever you could.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    But Stiglitz said it himself “inequality in America has been widening for decades.” "Decades" meaning 20 or more years, correct?
    I have consistently heard (from those on the left) how the ‘Clinton years’ were what we need to go back to. Remind me again who many years ago that was. OR has this ‘out of reach of the majority of consumers’ a recent phenomenon?...which of course would negate Stiglitz statement.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, it began growing when the supply side economics/financial deregulation policies began in 1980. The 90's with higher tax rates for the wealthy just restored some of the progressiveness to our tax rates. The Bush tax cuts took us farther down the hole.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    government should have no role in what wages you are paid. If your definition of a living wage is say 40K a year, you need to have the skills to earn such a wage. Rather than pissing and moaning that you deserve it even if you are only worth 25K a year

    Your constant whining about the rich I believe is an indicator that you understand you don't have the ability to gain the wages you think you are entitled to

    And while you are at it why don't we get ride of child labor laws? After all they are just parasites right?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you need to prove that oozing nonsense. The progressive tax rate was imposed so politicians could buy what they want and only piss off a few percentage of the voters.
    "Adam Smith, the father of modern economics and frequent referent of conservatives, favored progressive taxes. In "The Wealth of Nations," Smith said, "It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."
    Those who are lucky at birth to be born into wealthy families have structural advantages throughout life that provide them a downhill playing field.
    They get the best educations while networking with the most powerful people.

    If they want to start a business, they have capital to get started.

    If they fail at any point in life, they have a safety net to fall back on. With more capital, they get better returns on investment from economies of scale and access to investment opportunities unavailable to those with less money.

    And they can influence government policy in a way that the working class cannot, which reinforces their ability to garner and maintain wealth.
    A progressive tax system acknowledges that these advantages are largely the product of the lottery of birth and uses taxes and government services to level the playing field.
    By increasing the top marginal tax rate – or, if you prefer, by creating a new top tax bracket, say for income in excess of $1 million a year – we can help those among us who have the least.

    That is, by any religious tradition or standard of morality, the right thing to do.
    And, by reducing the gap between the rich and the poor, it ends up helping us all."

    Progressive tax structure helps reduce harmful income inequality - Opinion - The Daily Athenaeum - West Virginia University
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, it doesn't cause death and suffering. If greed caused all these problems now, the same would have been true prior to the 2008 financial crisis.
    When times get hard the disparities become more apparent. That doesn't mean they weren't there before.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If someone is wealthy, it does not take away from someone who has less, no matter what economic class that individual is in.
    We both know differently. Like anything else in the world there is a limited supply of money. If someone has more then someone else has less. There's no getting around that simple truth. If people with wealth don't give a crap that someone else has less then let them own that position and quit trying to make the public believe otherwise.
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