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Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

  • No

    Votes: 36 76.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 23.4%
  • Total voters
    47
what is more important , they shouldnt let be uninformed..
 
Medusa said:
what is more important , they shouldnt let be uninformed..
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If they are unintelligent, they may not understand that of which they have been informed.

So I have to say intelligence matters most.
 
Medusa said:
what is more important , they shouldnt let be uninformed..
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If only.

There are a few problems with this line of thinking though.

1. There is no standard between informed and uninformed. What one considers informed, another may not. So how would such a judgement be made on a consistent and fair basis?
2. Can anyone point to a basis or issue that is more or less important than any other issue? Such things are subjective.
 
Excon said:
I don't think he is asking them.
I think he is asking you!
lol
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Is this some sort of hamfisted attempt at an insult? Nevermind reread it.

Personally, I don't see it as a question worth asking. People are going to do what people will do and any sort of back seat driving like this doesn't accomplish anything.
 
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Excon said:
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If they are unintelligent, they may not understand that of which they have been informed.

So I have to say intelligence matters most.
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not everybody is very intelligent but has enough awareness to know what to do.Social system must let everybody use his potential..
 
Medusa said:
not everybody is very intelligent but has enough awareness to know what to do.Social system must let everybody use his potential..
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My uncle is extremely intelligent but doesn't think about anything beyond his personal needs or surroundings. He can't hold a relationship, yet he is the head of research at a large household brand name company.

:shrug:
 
megaprogman said:
My uncle is extremely intelligent but doesn't think about anything beyond his personal needs or surroundings. He can't hold a relationship, yet he is the head of research at a large household brand name company.

:shrug:
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yes ,mega ,at least he has such a potential:2razz:
 
Medusa said:
yes ,mega ,at least he has such a potential:2razz:
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He is in his late 60s, if he was going to learn to be social, he would have done so by now.
 
megaprogman said:
He is in his late 60s, if he was going to learn to be social, he would have done so by now.
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some men like your uncle are luckier in this world ,he is still the head of something:mrgreen:
 
megaprogman said:
My uncle is extremely intelligent but doesn't think about anything beyond his personal needs or surroundings. He can't hold a relationship, yet he is the head of research at a large household brand name company.

:shrug:
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Then build a system that is based on asking questions, as suggested, and intelligence.
 
Pretty embarrassing to hear stories of fools saying they voted for W cause they thought he was his father (this clearly qualifies as uninformed), or they just voted the top names, and other indicators that they're a detriment to humanity. Why not ask if we think they should be able to vote? Doesn't change my answer in the slightest. The sad thing is many teenagers and even convicts are far more informed than that and yet cannot vote.
 
Excon said:
Then build a system that is based on asking questions, as suggested, and intelligence.
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Which goes back to my earlier point, how would we construct an objective measurement? Especially given that political issues are always changing.
 
megaprogman said:
Which goes back to my earlier point, how would we construct an objective measurement? Especially given that political issues are always changing.
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If one was needed to be created...
I haven't seen any that would fit with the uninformed part, unless you wish to lower the standards all the way to the questions as presented earlier.
JohnWOlin said:
-Which of these a, b, c answers is the "Pledge of Allegiance"
-Which of these a, b, c answers is the current president?
-Which of these a, b, c answers is how many states are in the union?

If you cannot answer all those questions you should not get to vote.
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Or increase the standards a bit with the like of the following.
Like add a few more about our elective system, Constitution and whether we are a Republic or a Democracy.


As for intelligence.
I think that could be a function of our average National IQ.
If you have an IQ lower than (X) many points below the average, you will not qualify.
 
Excon said:
If one was needed to be created...
I haven't seen any that would fit with the uninformed part, unless you wish to lower the standards all the way to the questions as presented earlier.
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Or increase the standards a bit with the like of the following.
Like add a few more about our elective system, Constitution and whether we are a Republic or a Democracy.
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Ok, this is basic civil knowledge, but where does it show that someone is informed about the issues of the day?

Excon said:
As for intelligence.
I think that could be a function of our average National IQ.
If you have an IQ lower than (X) many points below the average, you will not qualify.
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IQ <> knowledge.
 
megaprogman said:
Ok, this is basic civil knowledge, but where does it show that someone is informed about the issues of the day?
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It doesn't. Why should they be informed of the issues of the day?
Especially when those issues may not concern them.



megaprogman said:
IQ <> knowledge.
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In general, IQ represent reasoning.
It would be a general indicator that your choice was reasoned.

Or instead, they could require a certain score/combined even, from something like the Military ASVAB, ACT or SAT.
 
Excon said:
It doesn't. Why should they be informed of the issues of the day?
Especially when those issues may not concern them.
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At its core, voting is a voice in government trying to sway it in one way or another.

Excon said:
In general, IQ represent reasoning.
It would be a general indicator that your choice was reasoned.

Or instead, they could require a certain score/combined even, from something like the Military ASVAB, ACT or SAT.
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There is no specific tie to politics. One could possess a great amount of intelligence and not be motivated to use it and another could possess a moderate amount of intelligence and a ethic for hard work and self improvement. Which is more deserving in your system?
 
NotEliTanenbaum said:
Note that I'm not asking if uninformed citizens should be allowed to vote. I'm just whether you think they should vote.
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Maybe having some sort of quiz or test before allowing someone to vote might not be such a bad idea.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Maybe having some sort of quiz or test before allowing someone to vote might not be such a bad idea.
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I am sorry, someone named Johnny Rebson suggesting this is hilarious, given this nation's history.
 
megaprogman said:
At its core, voting is a voice in government trying to sway it in one way or another.
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Please explain how that has anything to do with the previous exchange.
Excon said:
megaprogman said:
Ok, this is basic civil knowledge, but where does it show that someone is informed about the issues of the day?
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It doesn't. Why should they be informed of the issues of the day?
Especially when those issues may not concern them.
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megaprogman said:
There is no specific tie to politics. One could possess a great amount of intelligence and not be motivated to use it and another could possess a moderate amount of intelligence and a ethic for hard work and self improvement. Which is more deserving in your system?
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Intelligence.
If you are dumb as a box of rocks, you shouldn't be voting, no mater how hard you work.

And as far as I know, a moderate amount of intelligence would put a person on par with average.
 
Excon said:
Please explain how that has anything to do with the previous exchange.
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Intelligence.
If you are dumb as a box of rocks, you shouldn't be voting, no mater how hard you work.

And as far as I know, a moderate amount of intelligence would put a person on par with average.
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now will people get their intelligence measured before voting:shock:
 
Excon said:
Please explain how that has anything to do with the previous exchange.
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Ok well, if you can't see it, I will explain it to you, even though I just did.

People have concerns.
Things happen, this is called current events.

Ok, keep these two things in mind.

People react to current events with their concerns and sometimes want a solution.

People vote to improve their lives.

People improving their lives has lots to do with their concerns being addressed.

This is why elections tend to have themes in any given cycle. This time around its mainly about jobs and the economy.


Excon said:
Intelligence.
If you are dumb as a box of rocks, you shouldn't be voting, no mater how hard you work.

And as far as I know, a moderate amount of intelligence would put a person on par with average.
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You do realize that raw intelligence and applied intelligence are different concepts, right?
 
I'll do you one better. Those without property should not be voting.
 
phattonez said:
I'll do you one better. Those without property should not be voting.
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we'd have a far different history if that were true

No New Deal for one
 
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