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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not in and of itself, as there are very many facets of the human condition - such raising a family - that have nothing to do with production.
    And the state has no role in that.

    Only in name.
    As a political unit.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So you want to destroy that ability for those without property to prosper, and for them to become enslaved to those who do.

    Even though ownership of property is no indicator of good governance.
    That's not what happened in England after the Glorious Revolution, and it's not how the serfs got stuck in the situation that they're in.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, then, why not advocate that there be a Constitutional Amendment against taxes, and still allow everyone to vote?

    You completely ignore the right of people to govern themselves through representation simply because the wealthy are taxed 'too much' in your mind. I think that is outrageous. You may think it is outrageous that the wealthy are taxed too much, but I am appalled that you think that trumps the rights of citizens to govern themselves. It quite simply doesn't. You would have absolutely no right to expect adults who have no representation to agree to follow the laws. They rightly would not consider themselves to be bound by the social contract.
    The federal government has too large of a role. With that in mind, everyone's taxes are too high, not just the rich.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Should vote? No

    Allowed to vote? Yes

    This with the understanding that "uninformed" means someone who actually doesn't have any information regarding the race or the candidates...not that they simply have information you disagree with, you think is wrong, or you find biased.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Way to go and completely miss the point.
    Enlighten me. Based on what I've read by you after this, I think I got your point spot on.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    "Citizen Responsibilities

    Obeying Laws
    Paying Taxes
    Jury Duty
    Serve as a Witness
    Register for the Draft
    Voting

    The duties or responsibilities of a United States citizen can be separated into two groups: mandatory responsibilities, such as paying taxes, and duties not demanded by law, such as voting."

    "The right to vote is a duty or responsibility as well as a privilege. It is important for all citizens to vote in every election to make sure that the democratic, representative system of government is maintained. Persons who do not vote lose their voice in the government. Before voting in an election, each citizen should be well informed about the issues and candidates."

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    First you must define "uninformed". If MSNBC says vote for Obama, and they do, then that voter may thus consider themselves informed and vote based on being so informed. This is sad but true.
    I was thinking about what it means to be informed. I find most people uninformed and only a minority to be informed. The informed ones can argue all the sides of an issue, not mimic, but argue. So I'd like to saw only informed voter should vote, but then so few would vote that wouldn't be good. Right now it seems that watching advertising is the way to become informed.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 06-06-12 at 02:06 AM.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    I vote, but I usually skip the votes on questions like "Should Judge So-And-So be retained." I normally have no idea whether a particular judge is doing a good or a bad job. I've tried looking up judges online, but rarely have I found any useful info.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If we're going to require licenses to vote, then I also want a license to be a parent, because I think that's the most dangerous thing in this world for a person to do.
    You can't control sexual behavior behind closed doors. You can control a voting booth.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Should vote? No

    Allowed to vote? Yes

    This with the understanding that "uninformed" means someone who actually doesn't have any information regarding the race or the candidates...not that they simply have information you disagree with, you think is wrong, or you find biased.
    Well, they have the right to drive a car too...they just have to pass a test. The Right to Bear Arms is not denied either. They just have to register pistols and take tests to carry. The right to vote should have a basic test. It's about responsibility. And as much as we preach about how responsible one must be to drive a car or carry a gun...perhaps we should apply the same measures to our preachings about the responsibility of Americans to vote.

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