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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If someone can't make enough money to buy a house, they're probably not the brightest crayon in the box.
    Or there's a real estate bubble in the housing market that have inflated the price of houses out the income ranges of people with certain occupations.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Or there's a real estate bubble in the housing market that have inflated the price of houses out the income ranges of people with certain occupations.
    If they were a "brighter crayon" they would have picked a better profession.

    Wouldn't this be a better country if the brightest Americans selected the brightest to be in Congress?

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If they were a "brighter crayon" they would have picked a better profession.

    Wouldn't this be a better country if the brightest Americans selected the brightest to be in Congress?
    And if the brightest Americans got paid the most.

    But there's no law in the universe that says that how much money you make is an indicator of your intelligence.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So let me get this straight.

    You want people to exert more influence over politics by reducing their ability to vote.

    Is that what you just told me?
    I want less people voting in elections because those without property have been voting to destroy capital accumulation. I want more control at the local level so that we have more control over our governance and so we can actually see the results of policies and they personally affect us.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I didn't say production wasn't important.

    I said production wasn't the only criteria a government should consider.

    It's okay to have nuance and be diversified in what people care about.
    Production is increasing material well-being. Anything else isn't the role of the state (and government should get its grubby hands out of influencing production).

    Really? Is that why there was constant political instability, civil wars, assassinations, invasions, abuse of people via slavery?

    I can't really call a nation to be economically successful when a militant dictator decides to pay for his tyranny by killing the citizens of that state and seizing their property.
    I'm not saying it was perfect, I'm just saying that it lasted longer than any other government in history.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'll do you one better. Those without property should not be voting.
    Well, then the people who don't get to vote shouldn't have to pay any taxes, nor should they have to follow any of the laws.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, then the people who don't get to vote shouldn't have to pay any taxes, nor should they have to follow any of the laws.
    None of us should have to pay taxes.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    None of us should have to pay taxes.
    Well, then, why not advocate that there be a Constitutional Amendment against taxes, and still allow everyone to vote?

    You completely ignore the right of people to govern themselves through representation simply because the wealthy are taxed 'too much' in your mind. I think that is outrageous. You may think it is outrageous that the wealthy are taxed too much, but I am appalled that you think that trumps the rights of citizens to govern themselves. It quite simply doesn't. You would have absolutely no right to expect adults who have no representation to agree to follow the laws. They rightly would not consider themselves to be bound by the social contract.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I want less people voting in elections because those without property have been voting to destroy capital accumulation. I want more control at the local level so that we have more control over our governance and so we can actually see the results of policies and they personally affect us.
    So you want to destroy that ability for those without property to prosper, and for them to become enslaved to those who do.

    Even though ownership of property is no indicator of good governance.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Uninformed Citizens Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Production is increasing material well-being. Anything else isn't the role of the state (and government should get its grubby hands out of influencing production).
    Not in and of itself, as there are very many facets of the human condition - such raising a family - that have nothing to do with production.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm not saying it was perfect, I'm just saying that it lasted longer than any other government in history.
    Only in name.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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