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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    In China, they know all about aborting girls in order to try again for a boy. Recent undercover videos are showing that Planned Parenthood is advising the same thing in the US for mothers who wanted one gender and are getting another. Kill it and try again. Should aborting girls (or boys) in order to try again for a different gender be legal? Or is that a form of sex discrimination? Same with race. What if they discover a gay gene? Should parents be allowed to abort a gay child and try again for a straight one?
    Apparently our country needs to work on equality and women's rights if our own countrymen are loathing the idea of having a female.

    What are we to some people: A burden? A blight? . . . . people might be focused on the abortion - I'm more disturbed by the overall mindset that these people (husband & wives) seem to be in. You can't have people opposing women, and beholding men - and then expect everyone to always be ok with the gender they've conceived

    Makes me want to know more about these individuals and understand the bigger and deeper issue, here. You know: maybe it's a psychological problem that has other issues, too. Say: if the next test was wrong (becausey ou can't always tell - and even 'telling' isn't spot-on.) . . . imagine if they thought they were having a boy and she turned out to be a female . . .then what?

    I'm also disturbed about the heartbroken documented issues that men develop when they don't have their little football tossing baseball hitting fantasies with their 'sons' come true on the birth of a daugther.

    Peopel disturb me - and my disturbance reaches beyond this abortion issue.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    In China, they know all about aborting girls in order to try again for a boy. Recent undercover videos are showing that Planned Parenthood is advising the same thing in the US for mothers who wanted one gender and are getting another. Kill it and try again. Should aborting girls (or boys) in order to try again for a different gender be legal? Or is that a form of sex discrimination? Same with race. What if they discover a gay gene? Should parents be allowed to abort a gay child and try again for a straight one?
    That would be a slippery slope, wouldn't it?

    By an ABC blogger:

    Many nations with staunchly pro-choice/pro-abortion rights laws and protections nevertheless ban sex-selection abortions. Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands all have laws banning sex-selection abortions.

    A vote on the measure was postponed until Thursday. Approval of the measure is subject to a two-thirds majority, which may be difficult to attain given the Democrats’ general opposition to what they perceive as another Republican attempt to engage Democrats in the so-called War on Women.

    Sex-Selection Abortions Bill Pits Democrats Against Republicans in House - ABC News

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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Apparently our country needs to work on equality and women's rights if our own countrymen are loathing the idea of having a female.

    What are we to some people: A burden? A blight? . . . . people might be focused on the abortion - I'm more disturbed by the overall mindset that these people (husband & wives) seem to be in. You can't have people opposing women, and beholding men - and then expect everyone to always be ok with the gender they've conceived

    Makes me want to know more about these individuals and understand the bigger and deeper issue, here. You know: maybe it's a psychological problem that has other issues, too. Say: if the next test was wrong (becausey ou can't always tell - and even 'telling' isn't spot-on.) . . . imagine if they thought they were having a boy and she turned out to be a female . . .then what?

    I'm also disturbed about the heartbroken documented issues that men develop when they don't have their little football tossing baseball hitting fantasies with their 'sons' come true on the birth of a daugther.

    Peopel disturb me - and my disturbance reaches beyond this abortion issue.
    I wouldn't really worry about it. The only reason that it is an issue is because that Live Action group or whatever its called tried to make PP guilty of it. They prolly got the idea from China and figured it'd be a good thing to try in order to make PP look bad. And its already been shown that the video in question was not only blown out of proportion because Live Actions claim was not what actually happened but that the video was also edited.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I wouldn't really worry about it. The only reason that it is an issue is because that Live Action group or whatever its called tried to make PP guilty of it. They prolly got the idea from China and figured it'd be a good thing to try in order to make PP look bad. And its already been shown that the video in question was not only blown out of proportion because Live Actions claim was not what actually happened but that the video was also edited.
    Well - it's not 'just now coming to light' - some (emphasis on the some) people have always preferred one gender over the other - it's been going on for quite some time . . . and I know it's been researched but it needs more studying to understand why just having a baby isn't good enough.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - it's not 'just now coming to light' - some (emphasis on the some) people have always preferred one gender over the other - it's been going on for quite some time . . . and I know it's been researched but it needs more studying to understand why just having a baby isn't good enough.
    You mean here in the States, right? Why would a couple prefer a male child? To carry on the name? Less expensive? Otherwise more "valuable" how?

    But we know why males are preferred in China and India:

    BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Female infanticide

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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You mean here in the States, right? Why would a couple prefer a male child? To carry on the name? Less expensive? Otherwise more "valuable" how?

    But we know why males are preferred in China and India:

    BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Female infanticide
    I'm referring to the mindset that adults are in when they're preferring one gender over another - it is *not* just a matter of 'not wanting girls' - some people also 'don't want boys' . . . it is not new. It is not isolated to only some countries, either . . . it is a documented odd part of what seems to be human-nature. It is strange, I think, and might be a sign of a larger and deeper issue that might affect how someone can parent in general.

    It's been studied - and needs more studies. I think it's harder to study, however, because people with feeling and thoughts might not be forthcoming if their views are negated by society.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - it's not 'just now coming to light' - some (emphasis on the some) people have always preferred one gender over the other - it's been going on for quite some time . . . and I know it's been researched but it needs more studying to understand why just having a baby isn't good enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm referring to the mindset that adults are in when they're preferring one gender over another - it is *not* just a matter of 'not wanting girls' - some people also 'don't want boys' . . . it is not new. It is not isolated to only some countries, either . . . it is a documented odd part of what seems to be human-nature. It is strange, I think, and might be a sign of a larger and deeper issue that might affect how someone can parent in general.

    It's been studied - and needs more studies. I think it's harder to study, however, because people with feeling and thoughts might not be forthcoming if their views are negated by society.
    I see what you're talking about now. Yeah there are definitely people like this. I know in China it has to do with the cultural thought that men are more valuable then women. Which is reflected in their buisnesses and politics. Women politicians and women CEO's aren't exactly what China is known for. So I would bet that cultural values play a big part in making such decisions.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    If a nation is staunchly pro-choice, but doesn't allow sex-selective abortions, then it's likely some people aren't progressive enough to "progress."

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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If a nation is staunchly pro-choice, but doesn't allow sex-selective abortions, then it's likely some people aren't progressive enough to "progress."
    We're not staunchly pro-choice. . . I don't believe that having a middle ground is unacceptable. We have a wide variety of limitations and controls thorughout the states - and federall some procedures (etc) aren't acceptable.

    Having limitation denotes that it is a serious issue - and isn't just a 'womens rights' concern. I really dont' like it when abortion is equated with me going to vote on election day . . . yes, it should be recognized and even controlled and limited to a degree.
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    Re: PRENDA - Prenatal Non-Descrimination Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If a nation is staunchly pro-choice, but doesn't allow sex-selective abortions, then it's likely some people aren't progressive enough to "progress."
    Being pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean that you are for EVERYTHING. I'm pro-choice but I am against abortion in the last trimester unless the mothers health is at stake.

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