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    Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?


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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    I have pondered this problem for quite some time. Campaign finance reform is a no go, since it limits free speach and/or gives the incumbent a HUGE advantage. I have come to see only one option as viable; to include by law "NONE OF THEM", as a required ballot choice for all federal public offiices, especially in the primaries. It is better than a write in, since it actually has a decent chance to force a run-off, or at worst allow the state legislature to appoint a temporary DC moron, until a decent candidate is made available to the voters.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    American Democracy is always for sale as long as people liquidate social values and surrender to the consumer, debt, service economy.

    Blaming corporations only deals with the supply, not the demand, of decadence.

    I mean it really cracks me up how people want to regulate business, and legalize drugs. Corporations are addicting you, but you want to risk more addiction?

    Herp a derp.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Since our recent wars are on OIL properties/countries, then OIL must be the driving force for the war. Wars run on OIL/energy, then they secure the ground the OIL is under, and then the OIL/energy companies can make a nickel a gallon getting it into the distribution network. Is this rocket science. Buy a few Congressman and get your war on!

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?
    It's worse than that. Most of the time, the rich business guys and the political candidates (and quite frequently the people in appointed positions) are the same people. I guess we haven't come as far from the aristocracy we rebelled against in 1776 as we thought.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Yes, but it's not cheap.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?
    When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P.J. O'Rourke

    Seriously, when one person has the power to use force to coerce hundreds of millions of others, you think that people will not seek to purchase a slice of that power?

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?

    No American democracy is not for sale. You have the wrong idea. Who ever is president is determined by the media in general.It doesn't matter who is rich or not. It matters who the media picks and their enablers. The media picks the candiates they want to win in order to maintain their two party monopoly. They do this by blatantly ignoring 3rd party candidates and even some democrat and republican primary candidates.The candidates they want to win will get to do talk shows, have only those candidates participate in debates, will do positive stories about and any dirty laundry they will try to air early so that voter outrage will be over by the time elections come around. The enablers are the die hard my party can do not wrong party-tards and the politically ignorant.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    it's not just the rich who buys democracy.. it's everybody who demands largess from the treasury, directly or indirectly, in return for their support.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No American democracy is not for sale. You have the wrong idea. Who ever is president is determined by the media in general.
    Who owns the media?
    Corporations. Who throws money at candidates? Corporations.
    The media is corporate owned and corporate ran.


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