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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    If democracy is a failure, then what sort of social order would you recommend in it's place?
    The rich have the power to make it better for everybody, but as long as they can exempt their children from having to live like everybody else, they'll see no reason to change things. One law that's never suggested, because the heirheads control everything that is suggested, is that the children of the rich be cut off at age 18. No allowance in college, no trust funds, no inheritance. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Only if the heirheads have to face the same obstacles as everybody else will these crippling, self-destructive, class-biased opportunities be replaced by a system that rewards worth, not birth.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The rich have the power to make it better for everybody, but as long as they can exempt their children from having to live like everybody else, they'll see no reason to change things. One law that's never suggested, because the heirheads control everything that is suggested, is that the children of the rich be cut off at age 18. No allowance in college, no trust funds, no inheritance. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Only if the heirheads have to face the same obstacles as everybody else will these crippling, self-destructive, class-biased opportunities be replaced by a system that rewards worth, not birth.
    So basically if you are rich you can't leave your children your money, get them through college, or anything else because you are rich.

    And you people wonder why people call you assholes.

    Did you ever consider its not suggested because its completely ****ed up? That the government already has trouble with support from inheritance as it already stands because its basically just a tax on death and success?

    Edit: Oh and 80% of the rich are first generation so there is no point in any of this to begin with.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    It's easier done at home cuz you simply buy and install democracy compared to fighting wars abroad to install democracy. (sacarstic alert)
    LOL. The current version has a serious bug in it (unlimitted credit), causing no tax increases required to offset the huge spending increases. The next version is not going to be near as much fun to play. ;-)
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The Dems have a history of productivity for this country beginning with Andrew Jackson who reduced the deficit and signed a high tariff to protect our nations trade. All the way up through FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and now Obama, the Dmocratic platform has been consistently egalitarian. The last Republican who ass worth his weight in gold was Eisenhower. Since his presidency the Republicans have done nothing but damage this country rip the middle class limb from limb to improve the profit margin.

    The Republicans have done zero for this country.
    So I suppose you believe Lincoln, Grant, and Teddy Roosevelt didn't do ****?? And you call Obama's period "productive"? really? How so? The debt under Obama has gone up by 5 trillion in just 3 years. Bush was in for 8, and yet Obama's already matched if not passed him in debt increase. Not saying Bush was very good, but Obama isn't much better.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Isnt it pointless though since most people do not care about politics? And who cares about some stunt that two radicals engineered but failed to produce the fame intended?
    Stunt? Two presidential candidates for President of the United States were arrested outside the debates for President of the United States. That doesn't seem maybe like not a good thing? A little quieting of dissent? Control of political competition?

    Seriously, Land of the Free, and in the Land of the Free two candidates whom made the ballots proper were arrested outside the debates for the seat they were seeking. To blow something like that off is pretty scary.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The rich have the power to make it better for everybody, but as long as they can exempt their children from having to live like everybody else, they'll see no reason to change things. One law that's never suggested, because the heirheads control everything that is suggested, is that the children of the rich be cut off at age 18. No allowance in college, no trust funds, no inheritance. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Only if the heirheads have to face the same obstacles as everybody else will these crippling, self-destructive, class-biased opportunities be replaced by a system that rewards worth, not birth.
    And how would you institute such a law? Through democracy, or some other means?
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    If democracy is a failure, then what sort of social order would you recommend in it's place?
    Well, democracy of course. You can't have democracy without people, and the people who live in this alleged democracy have failed to insist on theor powers of democracy, and in that sense democracy has failed in this country. This does not say democracy is dead; quite the contrary is true, I'm just saying that The People have allowed their part in this democracy to be suppressed. So we don't so much live in a functioning democracy the way we did up until Jimmy Cater's presidency.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We are not a democracy.
    Very well said. I'd be interested to know in what you think we do live in.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Very well said. I'd be interested to know in what you think we do live in.
    We're meant to be a democratic Republic. Which is actually different than pure democracy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're meant to be a democratic Republic. Which is actually different than pure democracy.
    You're defining the difference between direct democray and the representative democracy that we in the US live under.

    Very good point.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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