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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Sorry I dont watch FOX so I had no idea that they were silent. So I thought I should check and see if you were correct.


    Turns out that an Advanced google search of foxnews returns ten plus pages of results when typing in Rupert Mudoch

    Here is a story in May this year. Murdoch scandal follows classic media baron script | Fox News

    Isnt it kind of silly for you to make claims when we can all just google it?
    Sure they will present it but no one condemns it..


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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    and the ones he shot down personally. Yes.
    You mean the ones passed by the obstructionist GOP who knew he would never sign such a budget, so that they could blame him for not signing a budget: those budgets.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You mean the ones passed by the obstructionist GOP who knew he would never sign such a budget, so that they could blame him for not signing a budget: those budgets.
    The point remains a budget was never passed. including the one he proposed himself that got shot down 99-0 in the senate. We can play the blame game all day, but the fact remains that our government can't cooperate with itself.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    But where is Oabama borrowing money from? I agree that he's spending money hand over fist, but I just don't recall reading that he's been borrowing money. Now, if you wish to equate borrowing with, say govrnment bailouts . . . then, yeah okay. But he's not borrowing rom outside of our borders that I know of: he's paying on those debts . . . The 5 trillion dollar debt you speak of is the direct result of the crash.
    Nonsense. The crash of what? Look at the federal defict in EVERY year of Obama's term. This is not some one time big deal, this is now the new "normal". No "budget" has been passed in over three years, it is all "continuing resolutions", "super committee" deals and plain old pass the buck nonsense. The TARP bailouts and the stimulus "loans" were but two (fairly big) parts of this massive spending binge, but the "repaid stimulus loans" were simply plowed directly into other massive federal spending, not really 'repaid' in any classic sense of the word, as in put back into the treasury to reduce the national debt. Where he is borrowing it FROM is ANYWHERE he can, whoever wants to buy the U.S. treasury securities. The real problem is that ONLY tax money can pay them back, they are simply IOUs payable by the taxpayers with interest. Next to our national defense, the single biggest national "budget" item is the interest on that national debt. We, the U.S. taxpayers, now pay China so much annual interest, on just their share of our national debt, that the ENTIRE Chinese military budget is now funded by us. Is that insane or what?
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    The point remains a budget was never passed. including the one he proposed himself that got shot down 99-0 in the senate. We can play the blame game all day, but the fact remains that our government can't cooperate with itself.
    No, the point reamins that the GOP's mission is jam Obama up any way that they can so that they can lie about his abilities and accomplishments. If our country was a priority to the GOP then we would certainly see some proof of that. But - we don't do we . . . If the GOP wanted to pass a budget that could be agreed upon and signed, then they would create such a budget: and you know that. But a passing budget is not in the GOP agenda; you know that too . . .
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You mean; this mess with an obstructionist GOP angenda? That lack?
    LOL. In the senate? They dare not even attempt a budget vote or the jig is up for the demorats, much safer to fool you into believing as you do by doing nothing at all. Harry Reid is a moron, but not so much so as to leave it on record with a vote.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    LOL. In the senate? They dare not even attempt a budget vote or the jig is up for the demorats, much safer to fool you into believing as you do by doing nothing at all. Harry Reid is a moron, but not so much so as to leave it on record with a vote.
    Hey; I'm not fooled by any of these people. The GOP has nothing to run on in the way of anything that's been good for this country, moreover they have said themselves that their mission is to make Barack Obama a one term president. So what does that tell you? It tells me just exactly what I've been saying about them all along.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Hey; I'm not fooled by any of these people. The GOP has nothing to run on in the way of anything that's been good for this country, moreover they have said themselves that their mission is to make Barack Obama a one term president. So what does that tell you? It tells me just exactly what I've been saying about them all along.
    And The Dems do? Like I said, our government as a whole is inept. You can't put the blame soley on one side.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No, the point reamins that the GOP's mission is jam Obama up any way that they can so that they can lie about his abilities and accomplishments. If our country was a priority to the GOP then we would certainly see some proof of that. But - we don't do we . . . If the GOP wanted to pass a budget that could be agreed upon and signed, then they would create such a budget: and you know that. But a passing budget is not in the GOP agenda; you know that too . . .
    A huge pile of just such GOP house passed bills, sit in the "do not read" pile guarded closely by Harry Reid, to keep them from getting to the senate floor for a debate or vote. The demorats KNOW that many among them can't vote against them and still get re-elected so they just pretend that they do not exist, and pretend, as you do, that the GOP is the "real" problem, not the deficit or debt. The demorats want you to THINK that raising taxes would "fix" the problem but dare not actually put forth a tax increase bill because then ALL would know that it is a lie. We have a 40% federal defit, and the demorats biggest dream tax increase would cut that to a 38% federal defict and the game would be over, as they will NOT cut any spending, not even defense, even after they agreed to. The GOP is not much better, as far as cutting spending, but at least they admit that a tiny "tax the rich" game is not the answer.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure they will present it but no one condemns it..
    Technically it is not the job of the media to condemn anything. Not that I even like Fox , but just saying.

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