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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Who owns the media?
    Corporations. Who throws money at candidates? Corporations.
    The media is corporate owned and corporate ran.
    And what has that money bought them? When a story becomes popular the media picks it up regardless if that story will hurt the rich people that supposedly control the media.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?
    I would agree with your assertion. I think that the problems of this country have been out of the hands of Washington for some time now.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And what has that money bought them? When a story becomes popular the media picks it up regardless if that story will hurt the rich people that supposedly control the media.
    Rich people? Its not like every"rich person" owns the media. Its corporate owned and corporate bought. EX: Rupert Murdoch scandal, every other news station was all over this scandal but one news station was very very silent for some reason, what was that station?? FOX.


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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I would agree with your assertion. I think that the problems of this country have been out of the hands of Washington for some time now.
    I agree. But a huge problem is that the institutions are put in place to give the wealth an advantage. Lobbying has become basically legal bribery.


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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?
    For sale? No. It was sold a long time ago. Our country believes in both democracy and capitalism. Unfortunately, Capitalism overtook democracy a long time ago. And what resulted was a practical Aristocracy. Think about it. The idea of democracy is that anyone can become leader as long as they are chosen by the people. However, in our modern society, getting known by these people requires money. The type of money only the elite in our society have. Then we have poll tax and other fees that could discourage or prevent some of our poorer citizens from voting in the first place. Not only that, but lobbyist groups and corporations tend to buy off many politicians, who then speak for the corporation/group that paid them rather than the people that elected them.

    I rest my case.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I agree. But a huge problem is that the institutions are put in place to give the wealth an advantage. Lobbying has become basically legal bribery.
    Oh yeah! You're right. A given politician is no longer in charge of their own vision for the country or state. That's been gone in my view since Ronald Reagan. It's all been purchased by factions.

    I really think we're gonna come to blows much sooner than people think over all of this.
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    For sale? No. It was sold a long time ago. Our country believes in both democracy and capitalism. Unfortunately, Capitalism overtook democracy a long time ago. And what resulted was a practical Aristocracy. Think about it. The idea of democracy is that anyone can become leader as long as they are chosen by the people. However, in our modern society, getting known by these people requires money. The type of money only the elite in our society have. Then we have poll tax and other fees that could discourage or prevent some of our poorer citizens from voting in the first place. Not only that, but lobbyist groups and corporations tend to buy off many politicians, who then speak for the corporation/group that paid them rather than the people that elected them.

    I rest my case.
    That's not the fault of democracy. The problem is that we are trying to operate a democratic republic on a scale that is completely unworkable. A republic has a natural size, and our republic ought to have undergone mitosis many, many times in order to keeps its republican character. You can't govern hundreds of millions of people with a republican form of government, well not and have any meaningful representative democracy. Right now a congressman represents about 700,000 people. If we had had this sort of representation a the founding of the country, congress would have had 5 representatives. That is not a republican government, it is an empire ruled by an aristocracy, which is what we have now.

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is American "democracy" for sale?
    To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

    My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?
    Not 100%, but it'd getting there.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    For sale? No. It was sold a long time ago. Our country believes in both democracy and capitalism. Unfortunately, Capitalism overtook democracy a long time ago. And what resulted was a practical Aristocracy. Think about it. The idea of democracy is that anyone can become leader as long as they are chosen by the people. However, in our modern society, getting known by these people requires money. The type of money only the elite in our society have. Then we have poll tax and other fees that could discourage or prevent some of our poorer citizens from voting in the first place. Not only that, but lobbyist groups and corporations tend to buy off many politicians, who then speak for the corporation/group that paid them rather than the people that elected them.

    I rest my case.
    Very well said. But, aren't you sort of siding against you own political philospohy here? It's about liberty right? Anybody should have the liberty to do what you've just said, so it's really not about what's goood for the country; that's "collectivism" as some are wont to say. It's about whatever one person can do for for himself; right?
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    Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And what has that money bought them? When a story becomes popular the media picks it up regardless if that story will hurt the rich people that supposedly control the media.
    Does it ever hurt the....what 4 or 5 people who own all the media? Look at that Murdoch thing in the US. You'd think that everyone but Fox would have a field day and never let it go. HA! Forgotten ASAP.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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