View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    We seem to be breaking down, wallowing in our debilitation and lack of willpower. There is a group of people in America that on one hand opines that we Americans should be allowed to slowly kill ourselves through unhealthy food, and on the other hand complain about increasing taxes for the costs of affording the results of said unhealthy living. You should not be able to have it both ways; either support unhealthy living and pay taxes because of it, or don't support unhealthy freedom and don't pay taxes for it.

    Look, we've got problems, and people need to start caring before America develops its own heart attack, per se.

    Adult Overweight and Obesity in the U.S.
    Two-thirds of U.S. adults are overweight or obese (Flegal et al., 2012). In general, rates of overweight and obesity are higher for African-American and Hispanic women than Caucasian women, higher for Hispanic men than Caucasian and African-American men, higher in the South and Midwest, and tend to increase with age (Flegal et al., 2012; Gregg et al., 2009; Sherry et al., 2010). Research also shows that the heaviest Americans have become even heavier the past decade (Beydoun & Wang, 2009).
    Overweight and Obesity in the U.S. Food Research & Action Center

    Supposedly 2/3 of all U.S. adults are overweight/obese. That's insane.

    Now is also the time when many of us look down and realize that the laps on which those laptops sit aren't as flat as they used to be. We've picked up a few pounds over the winter -- pounds that become increasingly harder to shed as we get older. But weight gain isn't just a problem for folks trying to squeeze into last year's swimsuits; it's also a problem for those of us trying to cope with today's high gas prices. According to an article at MSN, America's increasing obesity rate has led to a huge increase in fuel consumption. All told, those extra pounds lead up to $4 billion in extra gasoline costs.

    How much is this costing us? According to Sheldon Jacobson at the University of Illinois, obesity forces America to use a whopping 938 million gallons of gas more than we would if we were a leaner, meaner nation.
    Obesity Costs America $4 Billion Per Year At The Pump

    This directly affects the cost of our gasoline. This likely affects our airlines in some way as well.

    Obesity in U.S. Projected to Grow
    America's weight problem is likely going to get a lot bigger: 42 percent of adults will be obese by 2030, and about one-quarter of that group will be severely obese. That's according to a projection released Monday at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's "Weight of the Nation" meeting in Washington. Today, about 34 percent of American adults are obese, and 6 percent are severely obese, which is 100 or more pounds over a healthy weight. Extra weight hikes the risk of health problems such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke, sleep apnea, and cancer. And it adds billions of dollars to health care costs. The projections "indicate that even more people will be losing loved ones and others will be suffering sickness and living lives that fall short of their promise because of obesity," Patrick O'Neil, president of the Obesity Society, a group of weight-control researchers and professionals, told USA Today.
    Health Buzz: 42 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese in 2030 - US News and World Report

    The supposed projection for obesity in America is that 42% of all adults will be obese by 2030, and 1/4 of that group severely obese. The next 100 years if nothing is done...?



    We need to act. If sin taxes "don't work" then perhaps we need to start applying regulations, because obviously education isn't reaching enough people. Charge people through their insurance for being obese. Don't feel sorry for them, because they know what they're doing. Don't charge them obscene amounts of money; start it very gradually, and moniter those results. Incorporate a "sin" tax as effectively as possible, like a scalpel. If taxing sugar and salt doesn't work, target doughnuts and fried food. Target what this group of people is inclined to devour.

    Add some sort of gradual and minute benefit to those with the foresight of healthy eating. Wean the fat man off the nipple of the taxpayer, and wake up the taxpayer who supports unhealthy behavior yet complains about rising taxes.

    You may think you have the freedom to kill yourself, but you don't have the freedom to kill America's future.

    If there are valid links that showcase the results of Europe's regulation of healthy living that'd be deeply appreciated.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I've pretty much always been a believer in Pigouvian taxes on such things as sugar. It could even be argued that obesity and its various causes are an even bigger problem in America than is tobacco.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've pretty much always been a believer in Pigouvian taxes on such things as sugar. It could even be argued that obesity and its various causes are an even bigger problem in America than is tobacco.
    I don't know anything about Pigouvian taxes yet, but I'd agree that numerous problems occur from obesity.

    It needs to stop before America has over 50% of its adults suffering with obesity. Something needs to give or something is going to break.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't know anything about Pigouvian taxes yet, but I'd agree that numerous problems occur from obesity.

    It needs to stop before America has over 50% of its adults suffering with obesity. Something needs to give or something is going to break.
    I disagree however with the notion that the cause of obesity is due to the lack of will. I don't believe that the average person today lacks any more will than an average person 50 yrs ago. I think it has more to do with social trends in lifestyles, technology, and industry practices.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've pretty much always been a believer in Pigouvian taxes on such things as sugar. It could even be argued that obesity and its various causes are an even bigger problem in America than is tobacco.
    Europe has its own obesity problem with England being near the top.. a simple google search can verify that.

    WHO/Europe | Obesity


    Europe, japan and any industrialized nation is not IMMUNE to the sit on your arse technological age were in...their posteriors are going to grow along with ours...and obesity isnt going to be as easy to control in the mass's as lets say smoking...they raised the price of cigarettes to the point they are unaffordable for alot of people...and they stopped smoking in many places entirely..but you cant tax the price of table food through the roof and you cant ban eating...its a much more difficult endeavor to control than other public health problems

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Add some sort of gradual and minute benefit to those with the foresight of healthy eating.
    Isn't being healthier and not fat the kind of gradual and minute benefit that those with the foresight of healthy eating enjoy?
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I disagree however with the notion that the cause of obesity is due to the lack of will. I don't believe that the average person today lacks any more will than an average person 50 yrs ago. I think it has more to do with social trends in lifestyles, technology, and industry practices.
    This is true. WHile I want this to be fought mostly by winning the argument to convince people to change, some minor regulations, like the lunches schools provide be healthy, and fast food not allowed to open up shop on campus (k-12).

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I disagree however with the notion that the cause of obesity is due to the lack of will. I don't believe that the average person today lacks any more will than an average person 50 yrs ago. I think it has more to do with social trends in lifestyles, technology, and industry practices.
    It directly applies to will. If you want something, go and take it. Those who want to lose weight but can't typically have willpower weakness.

    Losing weight has always been about willpower. Do you will yourself to eat healthier, to push yourself further and further, or to ignore the constant temptations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Isn't being healthier and not fat the kind of gradual and minute benefit that those with the foresight of healthy eating enjoy?
    That is an incentive, but others probably want an added incentive.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It directly applies to will. If you want something, go and take it. Those who want to lose weight but can't typically have willpower weakness.

    Losing weight has always been about willpower. Do you will yourself to eat healthier, to push yourself further and further, or to ignore the constant temptations?
    I'm not talking about losing weight specifically as it applies to individuals, I'm merely explaining the increase in obesity rates. I don't for a second believe that we have higher rates of obesity today because people today possess less will power than people a generation ago.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Isn't being healthier and not fat the kind of gradual and minute benefit that those with the foresight of healthy eating enjoy?
    What we have to understand and accept..is that there are many americans that DONT KNOW HOW TO EAT healthy...theyve been eating chit since they were able to open their mouth....if you had parents that stuck sugary drinks in your face since you can remember...or parents that had HORRIBLE eating habits since you were born and thats what you ate all your life...your not going to change I dont think.

    Id bet a dozen donuts that if you handed half of america...an artichoke, a turnip a fresh Beet and said cook these for me...they would looked confused. If you never aquired a tasted for fresh vegetables and fruits and your parents gave you chit your entire life...you are not going to start eating veggies and fruit...

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