View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is what we're trying to do. Juvenile diabetis or adult onset (type 2)?
    Type 2, it runs in the family. Since the day I was diagnosed, I've paid 100% of my own way in treatment. I expect the same from everyone.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I think there is a direct correlation between smoking and obesity. Everyone used to smoke and this delightful, satisfying, sexy, cool behavior was attacked and diminished through extensive campaigning, prohibition and taxation. Without a cigarette to stick in your mouth, you have no way to tell that your meal has ended and you just keep on shoveling down the chow.

    Of course, I could be wrong about this.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Type 2, it runs in the family. Since the day I was diagnosed, I've paid 100% of my own way in treatment. I expect the same from everyone.
    Same here. type 2. My "treatment" is limited. Doesn't cost to run or not eat, and I knew as much as the diabetic nurses, so I didn't need them. Having insurance helps with other costs. Cost are more for my wife and her physical problems. With insurance, we pay $200 plus for her meds. Without it, the cost would be a couple of thousands a month. Few could afford that.

    But, few would run as I do. I meet few young healthy adults who do. Can is more tricky. But most stop long before they get there.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you are asking? If people paid for their own health care costs and insurance, we wouldn't need to cut back government costs.
    I'm not adept at insurance, but I was more or less asking Cephus what we should do, and if we should cut back anywhere if need be. Insurance costs are already too high imo, so maybe sin taxes and regulation would be better. Insurance is already a seeming nightmare, and a lot of people unable to pay for it will probably go on eating their bad food while being a burden on healthcare costs in the future, for serious things that require hospital care/treatment.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think there is a direct correlation between smoking and obesity. Everyone used to smoke and this delightful, satisfying, sexy, cool behavior was attacked and diminished through extensive campaigning, prohibition and taxation. Without a cigarette to stick in your mouth, you have no way to tell that your meal has ended and you just keep on shoveling down the chow.

    Of course, I could be wrong about this.
    Only in that I did gain more weight after I quit smoking. But hardly the only factor.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think there is a direct correlation between smoking and obesity. Everyone used to smoke and this delightful, satisfying, sexy, cool behavior was attacked and diminished through extensive campaigning, prohibition and taxation. Without a cigarette to stick in your mouth, you have no way to tell that your meal has ended and you just keep on shoveling down the chow.

    Of course, I could be wrong about this.
    Smoking supposedly reduces the desire to eat, or it somehow helps in losing weight. I can't vouch for this.

    However, smoking releases its own myriad of problems.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If you support this freedom, will you support paying for the cost of this freedom through your taxes?
    in what way? if you mean health care, yes. i'd rather spend tax dollars on that than on global interventionism.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm not adept at insurance, but I was more or less asking Cephus what we should do, and if we should cut back anywhere if need be. Insurance costs are already too high imo, so maybe sin taxes and regulation would be better. Insurance is already a seeming nightmare, and a lot of people unable to pay for it will probably go on eating their bad food while being a burden on healthcare costs in the future, for serious things that require hospital care/treatment.
    No, they will go on eating bad food, doing the wrong thing, and if they choose not to pay for healthcare or the costs of their own bad behavior, they will DIE and we'll be done with them. Personal responsibility. It's one thing to have a demonstrable genetic problem for which you have no control, it's another to just eat until you can't get up and then expect others to take care of you.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    When it's a small segment of the population, the bold applies, but when it's a great deal of the population, the choice is no longer just a matter of the individual. On the contrary, it's a matter of the entire society because society pays the costs of those choices.
    The only reason why society is bearing the costs of obesity is because of how messed up our health care system is. Individual responsibility means simply that. The individual should bear the costs of what they do to themselves.

    I should not have to pay higher taxes for them and their problems. I should also not have to pay higher prices for food that is not a problem for me because they choose to sit around and do nothing or do not practice moderation.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    We seem to be breaking down, wallowing in our debilitation and lack of willpower. There is a group of people in America that on one hand opines that we Americans should be allowed to slowly kill ourselves through unhealthy food, and on the other hand complain about increasing taxes for the costs of affording the results of said unhealthy living. You should not be able to have it both ways; either support unhealthy living and pay taxes because of it, or don't support unhealthy freedom and don't pay taxes for it.

    Look, we've got problems, and people need to start caring before America develops its own heart attack, per se.



    Overweight and Obesity in the U.S. Food Research & Action Center

    Supposedly 2/3 of all U.S. adults are overweight/obese. That's insane.



    Obesity Costs America $4 Billion Per Year At The Pump

    This directly affects the cost of our gasoline. This likely affects our airlines in some way as well.



    Health Buzz: 42 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese in 2030 - US News and World Report

    The supposed projection for obesity in America is that 42% of all adults will be obese by 2030, and 1/4 of that group severely obese. The next 100 years if nothing is done...?



    We need to act. If sin taxes "don't work" then perhaps we need to start applying regulations, because obviously education isn't reaching enough people. Charge people through their insurance for being obese. Don't feel sorry for them, because they know what they're doing. Don't charge them obscene amounts of money; start it very gradually, and moniter those results. Incorporate a "sin" tax as effectively as possible, like a scalpel. If taxing sugar and salt doesn't work, target doughnuts and fried food. Target what this group of people is inclined to devour.

    Add some sort of gradual and minute benefit to those with the foresight of healthy eating. Wean the fat man off the nipple of the taxpayer, and wake up the taxpayer who supports unhealthy behavior yet complains about rising taxes.

    You may think you have the freedom to kill yourself, but you don't have the freedom to kill America's future.

    If there are valid links that showcase the results of Europe's regulation of healthy living that'd be deeply appreciated.


    Do you think our grandparents and great-grandparents were vegan pussies who ate nothing but salad? **** no they didn't eat vegan pussy food.They ate cheeseburgers, organ meats, french fries cooked in animal fat, candy bars,unfortified bread, stuff loaded with butter, stuff cooked in lard and other animal fat and a whole **** load of other unhealthy stuff.We do not need any regulation or food police to curb obesity. The cause of obesity is the fact Americans are living more sedimentary lives.Our jobs are more sedimentary and due to the length of distances some people have to travel to get to work or to a store we have to drive or ride to those places.

    Maybe we can do something for public school kids and kids on public assistance so that they are not obese when they are in school.For example-

    1. Make PE mandatory in all school grades.Get rid of a music class, foreign language class or some other elective to make it happen.

    2.Get the schools to have recess and or make it mandatory.

    3.Starting from kindergarten start offering only healthy low calorie food at public schools.Yeah there are kids who bring their own lunch to school, but a lot of kids are on the free or reduced price lunch program they will eat the food if they are hungry enough and if the food actually taste good.

    4.Ban unhealthy food from public school vending machines.

    5.Ban the following from food stamp and welfare purchases cookies,candies, cakes, sugary snacks, energy drinks and other junk food. As tax payers we most certainly have the right to demand that those asking for our help not waste the money we give them on junk food.
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