View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    You should read the OP again.
    Why? No matter what in your eye's the obese are 100% responsible even when they are not. Its really no use debating someone with that outlook.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I find it funny that people in this country rail on and on about how the rich are screwing the poor yet we are one of the fattest countries in the world. I'm guessing that more than just the rich are fat. Somethings not adding up............
    Deathly foods are typically cheaper. Take McDonald's value menu as an example. The more deathly the food, the cheaper it becomes, or so it seems. Healthy foods like 'Mary Washington' asparagus and 'Lacinato' kale will always be far more healthy and expensive, unfortunately.

    No one ever said it was only the rich that were [physically?] fat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why? No matter what in your eye's the obese are 100% responsible even when they are not. Its really no use debating someone with that outlook.
    There are rare cases in which medical conditions cause a person to become obese. That is rare.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I find it funny that people in this country rail on and on about how the rich are screwing the poor yet we are one of the fattest countries in the world. I'm guessing that more than just the rich are fat. Somethings not adding up............
    We have a lot of cheap unhealthy food. That doesn't mean anything concerning the gap between the rich and the poor (the screwing thing needs to be more defined).

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why?
    Because you completely missed the point of it. If you don't like what I have to say, too bad.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    We seem to be breaking down, wallowing in our debilitation and lack of willpower. There is a group of people in America that on one hand opines that we Americans should be allowed to slowly kill ourselves through unhealthy food, and on the other hand complain about increasing taxes for the costs of affording the results of said unhealthy living. You should not be able to have it both ways; either support unhealthy living and pay taxes because of it, or don't support unhealthy freedom and don't pay taxes for it.

    Look, we've got problems, and people need to start caring before America develops its own heart attack, per se.



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    We need to act. If sin taxes "don't work" then perhaps we need to start applying regulations, because obviously education isn't reaching enough people. Charge people through their insurance for being obese. Don't feel sorry for them, because they know what they're doing. Don't charge them obscene amounts of money; start it very gradually, and moniter those results. Incorporate a "sin" tax as effectively as possible, like a scalpel. If taxing sugar and salt doesn't work, target doughnuts and fried food. Target what this group of people is inclined to devour.

    Add some sort of gradual and minute benefit to those with the foresight of healthy eating. Wean the fat man off the nipple of the taxpayer, and wake up the taxpayer who supports unhealthy behavior yet complains about rising taxes.

    You may think you have the freedom to kill yourself, but you don't have the freedom to kill America's future.

    If there are valid links that showcase the results of Europe's regulation of healthy living that'd be deeply appreciated.
    I'm growing to hate this thread, as it's yet one more call for government to load another tax on our backs. Isn't 40+ taxes enough? Where does it end, Wake? I'd like to see a tax instituted for every single time a pro-tax comment is made.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    1) Increase the prices of truly unhealthy foods like fried chicken, doughnuts, eclairs, onion rings, etc. While corporations would likely raise the prices on other things, it really depends. I doubt Wal-Mart would increase the prices of vegetables like celeray and carrots if their fatty foods like fried chicken were further taxed. Instead of taxing salt and sugar which would place a burden on all, instead, like a scalpel, target the truly bad pre-made foods.
    You "doubt" it. But why wouldn't they? Now I'm not sure if it was you that said it but someone said that all that corporations are out to do is make money. They don't care. I agree with that. So, why wouldn't they raise the prices on everything else?

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    2) I don't see why not. If we tax people for being overweight, our government will gain a lot of revenue, while also affecting to some extent the obesit epidiemic. To keep it real and fair people who are heavy due to acquired mucle mass should be excluded.
    So, treat them like underclassed citizens. Somehow I truely don't think that the government would be that stupid. If we have such an obesity problem then that is ALOT of voters to be pissing off. And thats not even counting the healthy people that would be against such a thing.

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    3) Not sure I said that. I'm saying corporations need to stop targetting and brainwashing our impressionable children. These corporations try to hook our little ones with childish cartoons for cereals loaded with sugar, fast food loaded with salt and fat, and many other foods of that nature. How many of you parents have had a child that suffered with a toothache? It's possible said corporations had some involvement in those results by influeincing your child into wanting those sweets, persistently wanting them and others, and then eating them and winding up with tooth decay among other things.
    But that is what you basically said. If a person is brainwashed then they no longer have a choice. Yeah, corporations very well may try to hook people into buying things. But hey...how else are they going to sell their product? But that doesn't mean that people can't make the choice.

    As far as the children bit goes...besides that being a tired excuse....It is the parent allows the child such things. Blaming the corporations for the parents choice is kind of a cop-out isn't it? My children are constantly nagging me into buying them candy. I constantly tell them no. About the only time they really get candy is during halloween. And even then I moderate how much they of that candy they eat in a day once they have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Personally I'd like to see soda, koolaid, and other nasty sweet beverages banned from the hands of young children up to the age of, hn, 12. Children don't need to be consuming soda and candy. It's not good for your health or your teeth. There was a documentary I've seen regarding children living in the Tennessee mountains that drank excess amounts of Mountain Dew. Their little teeth were nothing but nubs. I WAS PISSED.
    Their little teeth being nubs has nothing to do with sweet drinks or candy. That is a purely hygenic situation. You could eat sweets your entire life and if you are properly hygenic then you will always have your teeth. Again, that is the parents fault.

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    4) I don't support all rights. Rights are only a man-made hypothetical structure. Every day you people on the Right and Left seek to alter the rights of people. If rights can change, then this can change. I feel those who lift up the rights of those to condemn themselves to obesity-related deaths should also take more responsibility in paying through taxes the medical costs associated through obesity. It is the height of evil imo with one side of your mouth praising a person's right to kill themselves, and yet with the other saying that you will do nothing while that erson suffers and eventually dies.
    Rights do not change. Ever. The only thing that changes is if people allow those rights or not.

    Also I fully support a persons right to kill themselves. Even with assistance. I might think that it is totally stupid and asinine in alot of cases (not all) but hey, thats their problem. Not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Too simplistic.
    Is it really to simplistic? Or is it just to simplistic because it doesn't fit with what you want?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think people should have the right to eat healthy to moderately healthy foods. In my perfect world all deathly food would either be banned, or served in small, moderate sizes.
    But we don't live in your "perfect world". We live in reality. What you agree with doesn't always coincide with with what other people agree with. And visa versa. What makes your thought and ideas better than someone elses?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'd say people are infringing on other's rights to the pursuit of happiness when they are weighed down by the taxes used to cover America's burgeoning healthcare costs stemmed in part by the obesity epidemic. We need to think about the future of our children, and that they will be at risk for obesity if we allow this problem to fester.
    Wow...a double entandre. Not only did you throw out the "IT'S MY TAXES!" but you also threw out the "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!". Excuse me while I shed a tear and get angry....

    It's my taxes too. And I am thinking of the childrens future. I am thinking of the rights that they will have when they become adults.

    Tell me, can you take what you dish out? Are you willing to be taxed for being healthy? Are you willing to be taxed for working out? Are you willing for other healthy people to be taxed for rock climbing? Bungee jumping? Running? Jumping? Exercising? Are you willing to be taxed for anything that may make you use a medical facility that gets government funding?
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Deathly foods are typically cheaper. Take McDonald's value menu as an example. The more deathly the food, the cheaper it becomes, or so it seems. Healthy foods like 'Mary Washington' asparagus and 'Lacinato' kale will always be far more healthy and expensive, unfortunately.
    People don't have to go extreme, Whole Foods, Greenlife grocery to be healthy. For instance, a grilled chicken sandwich with fruit at McDonald's costs the same as the burger and fries. If someone wants to eat healthy, they will. They will find ways to do so.
    The point of my comment still holds water. If there was such a disparity in classes as liberals would have us believe, we would have many people on the street starving to death. As it is, the country as a whole is fat. You don't get fat eating soup and sandwiches at the local rescue mission everyday.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Um, I sure everyone is aware that the BMI was instituted back during the 1960s as a sort of bench mark for physical fitness to determine whether a possible inductee in the military is ready and whether the country has a problem with the inductees as a whole. I do not know how much of the establishment of the BMI standards are all that scientifically based or not. I think it was established so that the inductees would have as little fat on them as possible so that they can carry around 60+ pounds of equipment for a dozen miles or so in a day.

    My suspicions are that the standards are on the lean side somewhat. And of course the BMI measures fat from the bodies limbs and surface fat on the abdomen, the 'bad' fat that exists around the intestines do not come into it and is the type that causes type 2 diabetes.
    My problem with the BMI is it ignores muscle weight and doesn't measure fat at all. It's a calculation based solely on height and weight. If you have a bigger frame or a lot of muscle, you will be considered overweight or obese even if you have a low body fat percentage.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Educate the children on eating and being healthy, let adults that want to die due to obesity related causes die. They have a right to kill themselves.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Obesity is not necessarily the result of individual choices. This is one of those examples where I think libertarians attribute too much cause/effect to individual agency. The truth is, even in the absence of government coercion, we're not really as free as we prefer to think we are. If it's not the government, there are other forces that are constantly influencing your behavior whether you're aware of it or not, or whether you like it or not.
    Any relationship I have with a private entity is voluntary on my part. They my try to persuade me though advertising, or whatever, but they don't get to make up my mind for me or coerce me through force, as the government does.

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