View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

    2 2.78%
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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I really want to know what a conservative taxpayer thinks about this:

    If you support this unhealthy freedom, are you going to support the costs of this freedom through your taxes?
    The people who eat unhealthily are the ones responsible for their consequences of doing so.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post

    Freedom does not have a tax. If it has a user tax then it is not freedom.
    Says who. . . . .

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I gotta ask these two questions.

    Do people have the right to eat? Yes or no?

    Do people have the right to choose so long as they do not infringe on other peoples rights? Yes or no?
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    We seem to be breaking down, wallowing in our debilitation and lack of willpower. There is a group of people in America that on one hand opines that we Americans should be allowed to slowly kill ourselves through unhealthy food, and on the other hand complain about increasing taxes for the costs of affording the results of said unhealthy living. You should not be able to have it both ways; either support unhealthy living and pay taxes because of it, or don't support unhealthy freedom and don't pay taxes for it.
    If people don't want to be disgustingly overweight, they should stop eating themselves to death, and perhaps walk, or jog, or do some situps. I don't know, maybe just tell them to shut the hell up and take responsibility for the consequences of their actions, instead of demanding that the populace pay for their terrible life choices. If my taxes are to pay to get these human like objects in shape, I'd gladly support sending them to the Military, where they can pay the taxpayer back via contract. I don't believe in free rides, especially when the solution to the problem is less spending on food and fuel, and more time and effort spent on exercise that doesn't cost a dime. There's no justifiable excuse for this:

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you think our grandparents and great-grandparents were vegan pussies who ate nothing but salad? **** no they didn't eat vegan pussy food.They ate cheeseburgers, organ meats, french fries cooked in animal fat, candy bars,unfortified bread, stuff loaded with butter, stuff cooked in lard and other animal fat and a whole **** load of other unhealthy stuff.We do not need any regulation or food police to curb obesity. The cause of obesity is the fact Americans are living more sedimentary lives.Our jobs are more sedimentary and due to the length of distances some people have to travel to get to work or to a store we have to drive or ride to those places.
    There are a lot of people that do not have prespective about this. I think that they think that the late 19th Centry health movement was par the course for much of human history.

    Also think that the previous generations also had to keep warm in colder weather than now so they burned calories by just breathing. The Little Ice Age sucked big time so it is warmer now and the isulation for our homes is better and we do not work outside as much as previous generations did.

    Maybe we can do something for public school kids and kids on public assistance so that they are not obese when they are in school.For example-

    1. Make PE mandatory in all school grades.Get rid of a music class, foreign language class or some other elective to make it happen.
    If it was as i remembered after elementary school it would not work. If they are useing the post WWII physical health initiatives that were just a watered down version for preparing for boot camp it will not work. What is needed is a more holistic (the real meaning not the junk meaning) approach which would include actual body types and abilities. Instead of intense work outs maybe teaching how to do moderate workouts that normal people can do. I was never able to do a full workout probably due to having narrow capillaries and veins I hit the wall too soon for that to work for me.

    2.Get the schools to have recess and or make it mandatory.
    Get rid of No Child Left Behind and we probably will be able to do that.

    3.Starting from kindergarten start offering only healthy low calorie food at public schools.Yeah there are kids who bring their own lunch to school, but a lot of kids are on the free or reduced price lunch program they will eat the food if they are hungry enough and if the food actually taste good.
    As long as the schools are government schools and are dependent on companies who supply for government institutions I do not see that this will be done unless it is made law. If the industries that supply the food for the school is itself another government institution we can just forget about healthy food as well at tasteful.


    Maybe at the State level they can have a dietitian on the rolls who will be able to choose a menu that meets the requirements.


    4.Ban unhealthy food from public school vending machines.
    Yes they can live with that.

    5.Ban the following from food stamp and welfare purchases cookies,candies, cakes, sugary snacks, energy drinks and other junk food. As tax payers we most certainly have the right to demand that those asking for our help not waste the money we give them on junk food.
    It is mindboggling that these restrictions are not in place already.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    If people don't want to be disgustingly overweight, they should stop eating themselves to death, and perhaps walk, or jog, or do some situps. I don't know, maybe just tell them to shut the hell up and take responsibility for the consequences of their actions, instead of demanding that the populace pay for their terrible life choices. If my taxes are to pay to get these human like objects in shape, I'd gladly support sending them to the Military, where they can pay the taxpayer back via contract. I don't believe in free rides, especially when the solution to the problem is less spending on food and fuel, and more time and effort spent on exercise that doesn't cost a dime. There's no justifiable excuse for this:

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    Geezus...another "my taxes blah blah blah" rant.

    Hate to tell you this (not really) but fat people pay taxes to. Those that are against making laws that attempt to force people to eat a certain way also pay taxes. So your claim of "my taxes" don't mean squat.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Geezus...another "my taxes blah blah blah" rant.
    kinda funny, considering how you used taxes to justify your opinion in the thread about the girl being sent to jail for truancy.

    Hate to tell you this (not really) but fat people pay taxes to. Those that are against making laws that attempt to force people to eat a certain way also pay taxes. So your claim of "my taxes" don't mean squat.
    It means everything. They made the choice to be lard asses, they can live with it.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    kinda funny, considering how you used taxes to justify your opinion in the thread about the girl being sent to jail for truancy.
    There are always exceptions to every rule. That even applies to the Rights in the Bill of Rights. Besides, there is a clear difference between banning someone from eating something and enforcing a truancy law that makes a kid that voluntarily signed up for school attend. On the other hand no one wants to get sick and use medical services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It means everything. They made the choice to be lard asses, they can live with it.
    Your taxes means just as much as someone who doesn't support bans on certain foods. Your taxes means just as much as the fat persons taxes. So in the over all picture, no, your taxes don't mean squat.

    And they do live with it. You don't. You don't even have a say as to where your taxes are spent.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It directly applies to will. If you want something, go and take it. Those who want to lose weight but can't typically have willpower weakness.

    Losing weight has always been about willpower. Do you will yourself to eat healthier, to push yourself further and further, or to ignore the constant temptations?



    That is an incentive, but others probably want an added incentive.
    A lot of things come down to willpower hence the high divorce rate in our country due to cheating-how about we bring back laws for cheating? What is next? Honestly let peeps live their own damn lives and stay the hell outta it
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I should also mention that there are other, better, alternatives to banning things. Such as promoting exercise for obese people by offering free or reduced priced programs that help them lose weight.
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