View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

    2 2.78%
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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I said what I will support, under what conditions, and what I will do. I think we start at that level.
    And I responded to that by saying that I don't have any faith in it ever being achieved at that level with any efficiency. You were trying to say there was no faith involved, which was false. That's why this side conversation happened.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My current beliefs:

    1) Tax the incredibly unhealth & pre-made foods only, for now.
    2) Tax people for being overweight. Exclude muscle mass.
    3) Stop food corporations from brainwashing our young and impressionable children.
    4) Either support bad rights and the cost for those rights, or don't support said right and don't pay for the costs involving it.
    1. That's possible, but you have to set standards that aren't so vague.
    2. That's not possible and ridiculous, in my opinion. I'm also pretty sure it violates some version of the right to privacy.
    3. How do you propose to do that?
    4. I don't know what this means.

    In sum, aside from #1 depending on what you want to tax, your solutions seem impractical and vague.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    2. That's not possible and ridiculous, in my opinion. I'm also pretty sure it violates some version of the right to privacy.
    I'm guessing HIPA
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And I responded to that by saying that I don't have any faith in it ever being achieved at that level with any efficiency. You were trying to say there was no faith involved, which was false. That's why this side conversation happened.
    And I still say that I am not advocating faith. I'm advocating hard work and involvement.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. That's possible, but you have to set standards that aren't so vague.
    2. That's not possible and ridiculous, in my opinion. I'm also pretty sure it violates some version of the right to privacy.
    3. How do you propose to do that?
    4. I don't know what this means.

    In sum, aside from #1 depending on what you want to tax, your solutions seem impractical and vague.
    1) Then set standards would be made.
    2) Why is it impossible and ridiculous? If you're obese, why shouldn't your taxes increase?
    3) Legislation and whatever other legal channels available.
    4) Meaning that people who support an unhealthy right like obesity should also take responsiblity and pay for the medical costs of the right they support through taxes. In addition to that, people who don't support the right to be obese shouldn't have to pay for the medical costs of obesity through their taxes.

    I'm not a lawman. With added knowledge the solutions will undoubtedly become clearer and more practical.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And I still say that I am not advocating faith. I'm advocating hard work and involvement.
    It's faith to assume that others will engage in that hard work an involvement. In order to achieve the political goals you are advocating, you have to have faith in other people.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's not out of character for me at all. I always get this way when people try to "correct" me when they are misrepresenting my argument. Pretty much without fail I get like this. I'll be the first person to admit it. I'm a dick. An arrogant dick. I don't deny that at all. Especially in logical debates.
    I didn't misrepresent anything. Maybe you think I did, but that thought seems ridiculous since I know I did not and since I was careful to use the exact "specific context" that you described to me. Nonetheless, it's pretty clear that it's not my actual argument you had problem with, but just the notion that someone would question you on yours. So you should probably just grow up because getting this pissy and irrational over someone disagreeing with you about something as minute as the word "faith" is really dumb and it makes debating more complicated than it has to be.

    You can't have proof of something that has yet to occur.
    That's correct. However, you can have proof that of things that have occurred. And if you have proof that legislators, specifically or in general, have been successful at their jobs in the past then that is means you have regular belief instead of faith in their ability to do their jobs well in the future.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's faith to assume that others will engage in that hard work an involvement. In order to achieve the political goals you are advocating, you have to have faith in other people.
    I still don't see it as faith. I think we work to educate and motivate. Not sure where the faith part comes into it.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    1) Then set standards would be made.
    2) Why is it impossible and ridiculous? If you're obese, why shouldn't your taxes increase?
    3) Legislation and whatever other legal channels available.
    4) Meaning that people who support an unhealthy right like obesity should also take responsiblity and pay for the medical costs of the right they support through taxes. In addition to that, people who don't support the right to be obese shouldn't have to pay for the medical costs of obesity through their taxes.

    I'm not a lawman. With added knowledge the solutions will undoubtedly become clearer and more practical.
    1. Um, it's YOUR belief. You set the standards.
    2. So what do you suggest? Having people put their weight on their tax forms. You are taking this a giant leap too far and, like I said, it's probably a violation of the right to privacy.
    3. Do you have proof that such legislation will work?
    4. Um, you can't tell people that they don't have the right to be obese.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. Um, it's YOUR belief. You set the standards.
    2. So what do you suggest? Having people put their weight on their tax forms. You are taking this a giant leap too far and, like I said, it's probably a violation of the right to privacy.
    3. Do you have proof that such legislation will work?
    4. Um, you can't tell people that they don't have the right to be obese.
    1) Once I've garnered enough knowledge on the issue would I start trying to implement rough standards.
    2) I would need to know exactly what possible violations would be had. If there is a way for it to work, then it will be attempted.
    3) No. It may work, it may not. That hasn't stopped people in the past from legislating new concepts.
    4) Did I say that?

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