View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

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  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I don't mind taxes and since they worked, in part, on tobacco, I have reason to believe they'd work on sugar or fatty foods.

    That said, fixing this problem goes far beyond taxes. I think the main solution is by increasing health education in schools. By education, I do not only mean reading textbooks in a classroom, I mean required physical education, gardening lessons and healthy eating lessons with cooking where possible. Moreover, just like kids have to science projects, kids can do healthy eating projects of many variations. Furthermore, if a student gets a "note" to get out of gym or other health related classes, then those exceptions should be handled the same way as situations with kids who can't take math in regular classes. They must do their own individualized programs. I've always thought that school should be about both mind and body, so it's time to make "body" a priority as well.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Communities, charities, and churches can offer programs. It is the individuals choice on whether or not to go along with it. The government has absolutely no right to regulate the weight of an individual. That would require regulating lifestyle and it doesn't belong with the government or any entity.

    Weight loss lifestyle is an individual choice.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    The will power requried to lose weight is largely exceptional. We're not all exceptional in this category. For many the battle is like being a drug addict who has to take some of the drug every day. The overall problem, as StillBallin75 suggests involves more than willpower.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Communities, charities, and churches can offer programs. It is the individuals choice on whether or not to go along with it. The government has absolutely no right to regulate the weight of an individual. That would require regulating lifestyle and it doesn't belong with the government or any entity.

    Weight loss lifestyle is an individual choice.
    When it's a small segment of the population, the bold applies, but when it's a great deal of the population, the choice is no longer just a matter of the individual. On the contrary, it's a matter of the entire society because society pays the costs of those choices.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The will power requried to lose weight is largely exceptional. We're not all exceptional in this category. For many the battle is like being a drug addict who has to take some of the drug every day. The overall problem, as StillBallin75 suggests involves more than willpower.
    For an individual, weight loss is definitely an individual battle of wills. For society at large? It's something bigger, that's all I'm trying to say.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For an individual, weight loss is definitely an individual battle of wills. For society at large? It's something bigger, that's all I'm trying to say.
    I largely agree. I noted my agreement with you concerning society. But tried to define what we're really talking about when we talk about will.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not talking about losing weight specifically as it applies to individuals, I'm merely explaining the increase in obesity rates. I don't for a second believe that we have higher rates of obesity today because people today possess less will power than people a generation ago.
    I suspect it's because of increasing population, mind-controlling-like behavior food corporations use to nab children at a young age through cartoon commercials, life is easier and more abundant currently, and, sadly, people are just lazier and more placated. Willpower is still a major factor in losing weight, or trying to accomplish any other reasonable goal out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What we have to understand and accept..is that there are many americans that DONT KNOW HOW TO EAT healthy...theyve been eating chit since they were able to open their mouth....if you had parents that stuck sugary drinks in your face since you can remember...or parents that had HORRIBLE eating habits since you were born and thats what you ate all your life...your not going to change I dont think.

    Id bet a dozen donuts that if you handed half of america...an artichoke, a turnip a fresh Beet and said cook these for me...they would looked confused. If you never aquired a tasted for fresh vegetables and fruits and your parents gave you chit your entire life...you are not going to start eating veggies and fruit...
    They need to learn, and then there are some who simply don't give a ****. We nail them if they don't care. We nail them if they're ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't mind taxes and since they worked, in part, on tobacco, I have reason to believe they'd work on sugar or fatty foods.

    That said, fixing this problem goes far beyond taxes. I think the main solution is by increasing health education in schools. By education, I do not only mean reading textbooks in a classroom, I mean required physical education, gardening lessons and healthy eating lessons with cooking where possible. Moreover, just like kids have to science projects, kids can do healthy eating projects of many variations. Furthermore, if a student gets a "note" to get out of gym or other health related classes, then those exceptions should be handled the same way as situations with kids who can't take math in regular classes. They must do their own individualized programs. I've always thought that school should be about both mind and body, so it's time to make "body" a priority as well.
    I didn't know sin taxes had worked on tobacco. A link on that would be awesome, and added to the arsenal in the future.

    Like with complex cancers, we'll probably need a culmination of medicines. Concentrated education and a tough-love scalpel of regulation and sin taxes. Start becoming healthily zealous in spreading the word of good health. Our shows like "Dr. Drew" and "Dr. Oz" help, but we need to ramp it up far, far more if we expect to stop the increasing percentage of decay.

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Communities, charities, and churches can offer programs. It is the individuals choice on whether or not to go along with it. The government has absolutely no right to regulate the weight of an individual. That would require regulating lifestyle and it doesn't belong with the government or any entity.

    Weight loss lifestyle is an individual choice.
    Not enough, by a longshot.

    You must understand the problems the resuly from the freedom to slowly kill one's self.

    You are a taxpayer.

    Are you alright with paying for these costs through taxes?

    If so, why in one hand do you support, and in the other, complain?

    That is the hypothetical bug I wnat to put a pin through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The will power requried to lose weight is largely exceptional. We're not all exceptional in this category. For many the battle is like being a drug addict who has to take some of the drug every day. The overall problem, as StillBallin75 suggests involves more than willpower.
    How so? Some don't have a will problem in losing weight, and some do.

    Addiction can be combatted through willpower. Iirc, a woman used a yoga of some sort 3 times per day to combat her cocaine addiction. That is extreme willpower, and that woman amazes me. Education and willpower are powerful factors, and if there are more on your minds please by all means list them.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    I think simply not subsidizing the hell out of corn so much could be a big step. It's the corn syrup in all our food that causes this. It's also our tendency to overeat, but I think the corn syrup even contributes to that. It adds calories without nutrients and makes you still need more food, but doesn't satisfy your hunger.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Building on Paschendale's point, a diet in high fructose corn syrup can make people dumber.



    There are undoubtedly other articles on this if further evidence is required.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Not enough, by a longshot.

    You must understand the problems the resuly from the freedom to slowly kill one's self.

    You are a taxpayer.

    Are you alright with paying for these costs through taxes?

    If so, why in one hand do you support, and in the other, complain?

    That is the hypothetical bug I wnat to put a pin through.
    Well for the most part charities and churches don't get my tax money. When I referred to communities, it wasn't about local governments as much as just the people come together. A local tech school in my area offered a 5K walk to lose pounds and it was a hit.

    The cost of freedom is risk. You have the freedom to make your own choices, but you will have to live with the consequences that come from it. If a person chooses to live a sedentary lifestyle while eating buckets of fried chicken, then they got to live with the risk of weighing 350+ pounds. If a person chooses to live an active lifestyle, then they got to live with the consequence of possible injury.

    I don't feel bad for people who make a choice to not change unhealthy lifestyles. That is their decision to live with, and in a free society it is fine. You try an dictate lifestyle then you start to become less free of a society.
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