View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

    2 2.78%
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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's one way to look at it. Another would be to pay for the care and preventive measures we could use to get him off dounuts.
    A) Since when is it a good idea to make this the responsibility of the government and B) want to take bets that the money the government collects from the sin tax goes to something else that has nothing to do with obesity, or even health care in general?
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    A) Since when is it a good idea to make this the responsibility of the government and B) want to take bets that the money the government collects from the sin tax goes to something else that has nothing to do with obesity, or even health care in general?
    AGain, I would not support them taking the money for anything else, so some build in protection would have to be part of it. As for government's role, well, looking to pay for what it has to do is a good idea. We know we will not turn anyone away at the ER. We know obese people are likley to end up there, as well as present other societal problems. being practical and planning ahead is not a bad idea.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So what? Point is to lower the consumption of the bad foodstuffs which will eventually lead to a less obese population over all. Sure it hits non obese people, and so what? They most likely dont eat the bad foodstuffs any ways in the amounts of the obese.. just as non-alcoholics dont drink the same amounts as alcoholics.
    Let me slow this down for you. What is a "bad" food? Is a cookie a "bad" food yet a granola bar is not? Is sugar a "bad" food? Is "salt" a bad food? My point, is that caloric intake ALONE is not bad, regardless of the source of those calories. What is "bad" is consuming more calories than you burn, as the balance (a portion of it anyway) is stored as body fat, over time, continuing this, this makes you obese. I can eat 8000 calories, one or two days a year, and suffer no ill effect, yet if I eat more than I burn (from ANY source) on a long term basis then I will gain body fat. An athlete or construction worker (in perfect shape) will need much more caloric intake than a desk worker (in perfect shape) yet the desk worker gets a tax break, simply because they need to eat less. It is not that the foods are "bad" it is strictly a matter of not consuming more calories than your body burns, on a regular basis. Taxing "birthday cakes", will have no effect whatever, except to generate revenue as both the obese and non-obese will still buy ONE.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I missed where you said it was the only way you would support it. Where did you say it, exactly, because you didn't say it in the post I responded to?



    I don't have any faith in that ever happening.
    I said it earlier. When the issue of taxing was first brought up. As for faith, I don't es[pouse to anyone relying on faith for anything. I suggest build in protection under law. Word it properly.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I said it earlier. When the issue of taxing was first brought up. As for faith, I don't es[pouse to anyone relying on faith for anything. I suggest build in protection under law. Word it properly.
    Neither of us are likely to be the ones wording the law, so you are definitely espousing a reliance on faith. Faith in our politicians to word it properly. I have no faith in that occurring.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    AGain, I would not support them taking the money for anything else, so some build in protection would have to be part of it. As for government's role, well, looking to pay for what it has to do is a good idea. We know we will not turn anyone away at the ER. We know obese people are likley to end up there, as well as present other societal problems. being practical and planning ahead is not a bad idea.
    I don't trust the government enough to not take money from the sin tax and use it for something else. They don't have a great track record. And being practical and planning ahead is great and all, but if you give people too much of a cushion, they are going to abuse it.

    This whole thing needs to be solved at an earlier stage. There needs to be an intervention in peoples lives when they are younger. How is it that a person can beat their children and lose them, but someone lets their child get obese and nothing happens? How is that not child abuse? If you want government involvement, it seems to me that this is a more logical solution. I would prefer it be handle by the community or others who are involved in that childs life, but sometimes you have to help in other ways.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Wait. Hold on a sec.

    If we can sin tax nicotine and alcohol, why not also tax truly unhealthy pre-made foods like doughnuts?
    Do non-obese people NOT eat donuts? Will putting the donut shop on a diet (there sales will surely drop) help with obesity? It is not WHICH food, but how much food (calories) is consumed, relative to the calories burned, that makes you obese. A construction worker may eat many donuts and yet gain no fat, since they burn those calories off by working, where a desk worker can gain weight by simply eating as much as a construction worker with the EXACT same diet (source of calories).
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I don't trust the government enough to not take money from the sin tax and use it for something else. They don't have a great track record. And being practical and planning ahead is great and all, but if you give people too much of a cushion, they are going to abuse it.

    This whole thing needs to be solved at an earlier stage. There needs to be an intervention in peoples lives when they are younger. How is it that a person can beat their children and lose them, but someone lets their child get obese and nothing happens? How is that not child abuse? If you want government involvement, it seems to me that this is a more logical solution. I would prefer it be handle by the community or others who are involved in that childs life, but sometimes you have to help in other ways.
    And if we don't plan ahead, we have the mess we have right now.

    Intervention has to be paid for. And I wouldn't go too far down the child abuse path. Too much can too easily then be added to the list.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Do non-obese people NOT eat donuts? Will putting the donut shop on a diet (there sales will surely drop) help with obesity? It is not WHICH food, but how much food (calories) is consumed, relative to the calories burned, that makes you obese. A construction worker may eat many donuts and yet gain no fat, since they burn those calories off by working, where a desk worker can gain weight by simply eating as much as a construction worker with the EXACT same diet (source of calories).
    I thought about using this kind of analogy, but it just doesn't work. I drink alcohol, but I am not an addict. Yet I still pay the sin tax. Most obese people would fall under the umbrella of addiction when it comes to not just sweets, but food in general.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Neither of us are likely to be the ones wording the law, so you are definitely espousing a reliance on faith. Faith in our politicians to word it properly. I have no faith in that occurring.
    True, but we can lobby and read, which means we can either support or resist. Agian, I don't espouse faith. I suggest work and dilgence. I think those are different than faith.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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