View Poll Results: What do you think we should do about the Obesity Epidemic?

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  • We do nothing. People have the right to live unhealthily.

    48 66.67%
  • Use sin taxes.

    4 5.56%
  • Use regulations.

    1 1.39%
  • Combinations of methods to fight the Obesity Epidemic.

    17 23.61%
  • I don't know.

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Thread: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't necessarily want to demonize fat people, either. Some of my favorite people in the world are fat as ****. If the actual goal is to provide a weight loss incentive, then taxing excess weight is the most efficient means of doing so.
    Simply allow insurance companies and medical care providers to levy that "tax" by raising their rates, then only the sickly obese would be made to pay, not those that cost society nothing. ;-)
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the reasoning behind putting the responsibility of the shoulders of individuals, as opposed to putting it on society as a whole. I can't force someone to live a healthy life, but I can refuse to pay for their bad habits, and let them bear that burden of responsibility. It's just like when my son was being a 17 year-old ****head. I refused to indulge his stupidity, and let him learn from the life, the greatest of all teachers, that stupidity doesn't pay as a good lifestyle choice.
    Problem with this attitude is that it can be used on pretty much everything and is highly egotistical. "I" refuse to pay for the war in Afghanistan.. and the US military, and FBI and roads over 100 miles from me.. How far you think you would get with such an attitude?

    But saying that, I understand your frustration and share it.. but where we differ is how to correct the problematic behaviour.. leaving it up to "personal responsibility" is a cheap cop out and wont help both the people involved but society as a whole and yes that includes you and I.

    That is why taxing bad things is a good behaviourally method instead of outright banning stuff. It can be used in pretty much anything.. from cars with bad mileage to banks that dont play by the rules and so on.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Interesting. If you were to implement this, how do you think you'd begin. Also, what do you think fair percentages would be?
    I don't know what percentages, exactly. I'd have to do a lot of research. I know men would have a lower threshold than women and that's about it.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Simply allow insurance companies and medical care providers to levy that "tax" by raising their rates, then only the sickly obese would be made to pay, not those that cost society nothing. ;-)
    Why not. They already do this with smokers, right?
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Simply allow insurance companies and medical care providers to levy that "tax" by raising their rates, then only the sickly obese would be made to pay, not those that cost society nothing. ;-)
    Dangerous as hell. Why stop at obese? Why not smokers, people with cancer in the family, people who drink alcohol... I mean any at all. How about people who had unprotected sex 20 years ago? Or left handed because they have a higher risk of some illness? Redheads because they have a higher risk of skin cancer? Where do you draw the line, and you know very well that if the insurance companies get an inch then they take a mile if they can get away with it.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually you cant refuse to pay for their negligence....... when they show up in the ER with health problems due to a bad diet, then what do you do.. say sorry but no treatment because you cant afford it and you are negligent since you ate too many twinkies?

    The point on taxing "bad" foods is to push people to more healthy alternatives but not deny them the ability to buy and use the bad foods if they can afford it. Now it is not the foods themselves that should be taxed, but the bad parts of the foods and of course the amounts of the bad parts. You can actually make a fried chicken that is not 4000 calories, and you can make a healthy evening meal that is not 4000 calories. I mean one of the more popular foods at fairs in the US... is deep fried butter... come on....

    They are actually trying this in Denmark now, and it has its success but also its annoying realities. For example the tax hit healthy non sugar jam because of one of the preservatives in the jam was on the tax list. It also hit some our national foods, which was not too popular hehe.
    Unlike alcohol and tobacco ''sin" taxes, food is not an option, so you will tax the non-obese, as much, perhaps more than the obese. The obese, after all, may gain more fat from the same caloric intake simply because they do not burn the same amount of calories through work and exercise, as the non-obese.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Problem with this attitude is that it can be used on pretty much everything and is highly egotistical. "I" refuse to pay for the war in Afghanistan.. and the US military, and FBI and roads over 100 miles from me.. How far you think you would get with such an attitude?

    But saying that, I understand your frustration and share it.. but where we differ is how to correct the problematic behaviour.. leaving it up to "personal responsibility" is a cheap cop out and wont help both the people involved but society as a whole and yes that includes you and I.

    That is why taxing bad things is a good behaviourally method instead of outright banning stuff. It can be used in pretty much anything.. from cars with bad mileage to banks that dont play by the rules and so on.
    Not only that, but at the end of the day we will pay for it for them, no matter whose is responsible. We won't turn them away at the er door, their missed work days won't be not paid for, and the effect will reach beyonf the individual.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unlike alcohol and tobacco ''sin" taxes, food is not an option, so you will tax the non-obese, as much, perhaps more than the obese. The obese, after all, may simply retain more fat from the same caloric intake simply because they do not burn the same amount of calories through work and exercise, as the non-obese.
    So what? Point is to lower the consumption of the bad foodstuffs which will eventually lead to a less obese population over all. Sure it hits non obese people, and so what? They most likely dont eat the bad foodstuffs any ways in the amounts of the obese.. just as non-alcoholics dont drink the same amounts as alcoholics.
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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the reasoning behind putting the responsibility of the shoulders of individuals, as opposed to putting it on society as a whole. I can't force someone to live a healthy life, but I can refuse to pay for their bad habits, and let them bear that burden of responsibility. It's just like when my son was being a 17 year-old ****head. I refused to indulge his stupidity, and let him learn from the life, the greatest of all teachers, that stupidity doesn't pay as a good lifestyle choice.
    I just don't see it the same way.

    If we promote the bad behavior, we create the mindset and fight tooth and nail to support it, then those same people must pay the consequences.

    If you lead the brigade in allowing people the smoke massive amounts of nicotine, it's wrong and unfair for that same marching band to flee as fast as they can from supporting the very destructive behavior they deliberately set in motion.

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    Re: The Need for Regulation: Fighting the Obesity Epidemic

    It boggles my mind that someone could look at an overweight person and instead of thinking, "Hey that person should take some responsibility for their life and lose some weight," they think, "Man, we should have some government intervention for that fat person. Perhaps a sin tax?" So I should pay more for a delicious sugary treat because the guy next to me can't stop wolfing them down for dinner? It's a ridiculous argument to make. Now, should that person pay more for their health care? Heck yes, that's why bad drivers pay more for car insurance. Should we as a society be doing more to curb obesity? Yes, try encouraging your kids to go outside and play, not sit around the house all the time. Start a community fit club, donate time to your local school kids and get them to exercise, but for the love of all that is holy, keep the damn government out of it!
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