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For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]

For Veterans and Military personnel only.

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Jetboogieman said:
The media and Campaign financing are the problems.

I feel sorry for Americans only ever getting two choices every four years.

For a country that continually boasts and prides itself in the "Choices" it offers, there's little choice when it comes to elections in the US.
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From what I understand France forbids political advertising and requires that all media outlets give equal story time to all candidates.Something like this would require a change to our constitution in order for it be constitutional in the US. I think the better solution would be to ban party affiliation on ballots and post a short list of issues a candidate supports and if possible a short list of past votes and quotes on ballots and on the voting booth walls a more thorough list of issues and past votes and quotes. In polling places that have an extremely high voter turn out making a pamphlet that could be passed out to the voters waiting in line should also be done. This would encourage people to actually vote on the candidate and not the party. This would curtail the party-tards.
 
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Boo Radley said:
It all boils down to what the chocies are. You can't vote for who isn't really a choice.
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There are lots of choices.There were other republican primary candidates and there are 3rd party candidates currently running for president. Too many people buy into the nonsense spewed from party tards that you got to for democrat or republican or you'll just be throwing your vote away. These party-tards would have you believe that voting for a media picked candidate that you ideologically the opposite off and can't stand is not throwing away your vote, while voting for a candidate you genuinely believe is the right person for the job regardless if that candidate is a 3rd party or a media ignored democrat or republican is somehow throwing away your vote.
 
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jamesrage said:
You are voting for a pro-gay marriage,anti-2nd amendment, pro-abortion,pro-illegal immigration, pro-man made global warming fairy tale believer and pro-socialized medicine liberal who appoints gay and liberal judges and you have the gall or audacity to call me a Koolaid drinking liberal? Die hard party-tards like you would vote for Obama if he had a R next to his. Die hard party-tards like you would vote for the biggest socialist or communist on the planet just as long as he or she had a R next to his name and the media told you that candidate is the front runner.You have no business calling yourself a conservative for voting for a known liberal like Romney.
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We shall see...He may have been a lot of those things when he was Governor in mass, but like Hussein Obama he has evolved..............No matter what you say he is our choice and is better then Hussein Obama by a country mile.........Sadly I believe a true Conservative like Santorum can not be elected,.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
We shall see...He may have been a lot of those things when he was Governor in mass, but like Hussein Obama he has evolved..............No matter what you say he is our choice and is better then Hussein Obama by a country mile.........Sadly I believe a true Conservative like Santorum can not be elected,.........
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to keep beating the same dead horse, we have never elected a "true" conservative....not in the last 50 years, at least....
 
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UtahBill said:
to keep beating the same dead horse, we have never elected a "true" conservative....not in the last 50 years, at least....
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Are they the ones that used to believe in conservation of our natural resources?
 
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jamesrage said:
There are lots of choices.There were other republican primary candidates and there are 3rd party candidates currently running for president. Too many people buy into the nonsense spewed from party tards that you got to for democrat or republican or you'll just be throwing your vote away. These party-tards would have you believe that voting for a media picked candidate that you ideologically the opposite off and can't stand is not throwing away your vote, while voting for a candidate you genuinely believe is the right person for the job regardless if that candidate is a 3rd party or a media ignored democrat or republican is somehow throwing away your vote.
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No, you can vote anyone on the ballot you want. And if you really like someone you should. But there isa certain reality attached to it even if we don't like it. And media didn't pick anyone. It is merely the didnt have the support or money to garner larger support. We really have to get beyond making excuses for those who under perform.
 
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UtahBill said:
to keep beating the same dead horse, we have never elected a "true" conservative....not in the last 50 years, at least....
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How would you define a "true" conservative? And, have we elected a "true" liberal in the last 50 years?
 
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Catawba said:
Are they the ones that used to believe in conservation of our natural resources?
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not sure, so many of today's conservatives seem to think we should wait until we are running out of the oil that is cheap, easy to get, easy to refine, and THEN conserve. That is what will likely happen, since the expensive, hard to get, hard to refine oil will cost so much that we will conserve based on the price of gas at the pump.
 
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mac said:
How would you define a "true" conservative? And, have we elected a "true" liberal in the last 50 years?
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every conservative out there has his or her own definition of true conservative....
and Obama might be the closest to a true liberal in a long time.
I used to think that Libs tax and spend, or pay as you go.....hopefully spending only what is taken in from taxes.
Likewise, I used to think the Cons want to borrow and spend, with no limit on spending as long as there are gullible people willing to lend us the money. Come to think of it, I think that is the way that both parties operate now.
 
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UtahBill said:
every conservative out there has his or her own definition of true conservative....
and Obama might be the closest to a true liberal in a long time.
I used to think that Libs tax and spend, or pay as you go.....hopefully spending only what is taken in from taxes.
Likewise, I used to think the Cons want to borrow and spend, with no limit on spending as long as there are gullible people willing to lend us the money. Come to think of it, I think that is the way that both parties operate now.
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Both spend, a lot. And when you have to pledge not to raise taxes, and we're going to spend regardless of party, borrowing is what is left.
 
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UtahBill said:
every conservative out there has his or her own definition of true conservative....
and Obama might be the closest to a true liberal in a long time.
I used to think that Libs tax and spend, or pay as you go.....hopefully spending only what is taken in from taxes.
Likewise, I used to think the Cons want to borrow and spend, with no limit on spending as long as there are gullible people willing to lend us the money. Come to think of it, I think that is the way that both parties operate now.
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ok, great, how do you define a "true" conservative?
 
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Navy Pride said:
We shall see...He may have been a lot of those things when he was Governor in mass,
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Actions speak louder than words and Romney's actions say he is a lib.Any dumbass can can claim to be something.

but like Hussein Obama he has evolved..............
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Funny how right around the time he decided he wanted to be president he 'evolved' into conservative.Don't you find that funny?


No matter what you say he is our choice and is better then Hussein Obama by a country mile
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Considering Romney's past how is he better? Is he going to magically sign for bills he as a lib doesn't support and veto and bills that he as a lib supports? Is he going to magically appoint conservative justices when he as a lib wants liberal justices?
.........Sadly I believe a true Conservative like Santorum can not be elected,.........
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So you admit that Romney is no conservative?
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, you can vote anyone on the ballot you want. And if you really like someone you should. But there isa certain reality attached to it even if we don't like it. And media didn't pick anyone.
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That is a load crap. A candidate is the front runner because the media says so. The media did pick these candidates.
 
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UtahBill said:
to keep beating the same dead horse, we have never elected a "true" conservative....not in the last 50 years, at least....
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I know what a conservative isn't. A conservative is not someone who pro-gay marriage, anti-2nd amendment, pro-abortion, pro-illegal immigration, pro-man made global warming fairy tale believer, pro-socialized medicine and someone who appoints gay and liberal judges like Mitt Romney has.
 
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jamesrage said:
That is a load crap. A candidate is the front runner because the media says so. The media did pick these candidates.
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The candidate is the front runner because those with the big money want him to be the candidate.
 
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Catawba said:
The candidate is the front runner because those with the big money want him to be the candidate.
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Yep. Money controls it all. We get to choose between Obama and Obama-lite (Romney) as either will keep the huge federal nanny state largely intact and allow the well paid morons in DC to do as they are paid to. A strong leader is not a plus, as they may jump the "proper" chain of command and appeal directly to the sheeple. As long as federal spending exceeds federal tax revenue, outside money has more and more power, and the people have less and less power. Being in debt to your gov't is not freedom at all, as they may choose to call that debt due and payable anytime they feel like it.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep. Money controls it all. We get to choose between Obama and Obama-lite (Romney) as either will keep the huge federal nanny state largely intact and allow the well paid morons in DC to do as they are paid to. A strong leader is not a plus, as they may jump the "proper" chain of command and appeal directly to the sheeple. As long as federal spending exceeds federal tax revenue, outside money has more and more power, and the people have less and less power. Being in debt to your gov't is not freedom at all, as they may choose to call that debt due and payable anytime they feel like it.
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Don't know about you, but I'm going for the viable candidate that is getting the least money from the 1%.
 
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Catawba said:
Don't know about you, but I'm going for the viable candidate that is getting the least money from the 1%.
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I'm voting for the one least likely to remove more people from the taxpaying roles, and least likey to put more people onto the gov't entitlement roles, thus reducing my "fair share" share of the national debt and its rate of growth.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I'm voting for the one least likely to remove more people from the taxpaying roles, and least likey to put more people onto the gov't entitlement roles, thus reducing my "fair share" share of the national debt and its rate of growth.
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A Ron Paul man eh?
 
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Catawba said:
Don't know about you, but I'm going for the viable candidate that is getting the least money from the 1%.
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So you were a McCain voter in 2008?
 
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cpwill said:
So you were a McCain voter in 2008?
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Both McCain and Obama proposed finance reform in 08. So the big money donors were more even.

This election, after Obama passed finance reform and Romney has pledged to undo it, Romney is getting funded 5 to 1 over Obama from Wall Street, and also collecting more super pac donations.
 
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Catawba said:
Don't know about you, but I'm going for the viable candidate that is getting the least money from the 1%.
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The least money from the 1% huh? Are you purposely baiting people into making fun of you?

"This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."


University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets
 
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Catawba said:
Both McCain and Obama proposed finance reform in 08. So the big money donors were more even.
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I think MarineTpartier has already pretty thoroughly embarrassed you for this hilarious claim. Obama raised significantly more than McCain did from the 1%.
 
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cpwill said:
I think MarineTpartier has already pretty thoroughly embarrassed you for this hilarious claim. Obama raised significantly more than McCain did from the 1%.
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Well, it wasn't really hard to do man. I don't deserve too much credit for that one.:coffeepap
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Well, it wasn't really hard to do man. I don't deserve too much credit for that one.:coffeepap
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fair enough. The blind ignorance of Catawba's argument is only barely less entertaining than the fact that he will not allow the standard that he has proposed to actually effect his vote.
 
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