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Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Like I said, poor nation self esteem. The argument is not what the awakening would or would not have done without the US eventually lending a hand. I concede it is likely both needed each other, and I commend the wisdom of our leaders to take advantage of it. But the fact is that we did not start the awakening, nor did we come up with the idea. They did. And we were lucky that they did.

Some lack such national esteem that they can't give credit where credit is due and want to say that all good is theirs and all bad someone elses. In case you're confused, you and CP would belong to that group.

I never claimed it was our idea. However, in the interest if giving credit where it is due, realize that the awakening would still be asleep without the US and that taking advantage of "awakenings" is part of US doctrine.

Keep hatin'

Originally Posted by mac

I never claimed it was our idea. However, in the interest if giving credit where it is due, realize that the awakening would still be asleep without the US and that taking advantage of "awakenings" is part of US doctrine.

Keep hatin'

If you weren't claiming it was our idea, you would not have been agreeing with CP or disputing what I said.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

If you weren't claiming it was our idea, you would not have been agreeing with CP or disputing what I said.

You should read the posts. I routinely said that without the US the awakening would have gone nowhere. Perhaps I should have said "a more closely agree with CP", but the point remains, he is mostly right and you are mostly wrong.

Originally Posted by mac

You should read the posts. I routinely said that without the US the awakening would have gone nowhere. Perhaps I should have said "a more closely agree with CP", but the point remains, he is mostly right and you are mostly wrong.

No, CP says the US was behind the Awakening. That is what we were debating. As he is completely wrong, and you agree with me, what exactly are you mostly agreeing with? Isn't really that you're having an emotional response and let that influence what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

No, CP says the US was behind the Awakening. That is what we were debating. As he is completely wrong, and you agree with me, what exactly are you mostly agreeing with? Isn't really that you're having an emotional response and let that influence what you're saying.

The US is behind the awakening. It would not have happened without US support, as your own source says.

The US didn't have to come up with the idea to be the enabling force behind it.

Originally Posted by mac

The US is behind the awakening. It would not have happened without US support, as your own source says.

The US didn't have to come up with the idea to be the enabling force behind it.

No. It happened already, before us. It likely would have been less successful. There is a difference there. It may have even failed. But it had already happened, as reported by our generals before congress, but we took advantage. It was smart and wise for us to take advantage, but we did not start it and not behind it (which means we started it). As much as they would not have been successful wihotut our help, the surge would have not been as successful without the Awakening.

You might read CP closer.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Thanks. I pointed to The Gamble earlier. The Book explains a lot rather well I think.

It does indeed.