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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Thanks. I pointed to The Gamble earlier. The Book explains a lot rather well I think.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It doesn't mean we got lucky. Taking advantage of local "awakenings" is part of a policy that predates the Iraq invasion. Regardless, it wouldn't have happened without us support, in this case.
    Agian, no one argues we were not wise. And there may well be a mutual need arrangment. That means we wouldn't have succeeded without them and them without us. But, the fact remains, we cannot take credit for the awakening.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bingo. To go from "Iraqi's didn't like AQI already" to "US Policies had little to do with Iraq's violence reduction" is ludicrous. Both Iraqi and American forces were necessary, as all of Boo's own sources have shown. He just doesn't want to admit to the implications because he unfortunately chose a foolish position, and now feels obligated to continue defending it.

    Hey Boo, here's a question, if Obama thinks that the Surge is a failure, and the doctrine doesn't work, why did he order one in Afghanistan?
    Don't misrepresent again CP. The point was and remains that we needed the awakening and it was not part of the surge, and that without that awakening, we'd have had much harder sledding. In fact, the surge most likely would have failed. But, what we KNOW is that the Awakening came first,without our prodding and we merely and wisely took advantage.


    As for Obama, try to think more logically and honestly. He clearly demonstrated trepidation. The discussions were long. It was not a matter of himm saying that worked so well guys, let's do it again. In fact, he asked for some assurances, which could not be given. So, you misrepresent that situation as well.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    America bashing at it's "finest"...
    There's that poor nation esteem rearing it's ugly head again. When some lose a debate on facts, they resort to this type of thing becasue they don't believe in the country enough to be honest.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    It isn't just one picture.
    Attachment 67129053
    So its two pictures?

    I grew up outside of Camp Lejune. I've seen fat ass Marines.

    I was in the Army. I've seen fat ass soldiers.

    There are fat asses everywhere.


    Might want to check that out on snopes big guy.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I've never understood all the hype about marines being such "badasses".
    My roommates in Airborne school were two Force Recon Marines and Ranger.

    The Marines were not any more bad ass than we were, they just liked to wear it on their sleeve.
    Its all about the brainwashing they receive.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Moderator's Warning:
    For Veterans and Military personnel only.[W:651]AS much as I enjoy and engage in interservice banter, let's move back to the thread topic please.
    Just saw this (I move chronologically through a thread)

    My bad on the above two posts.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So its two pictures?

    I grew up outside of Camp Lejune. I've seen fat ass Marines.

    I was in the Army. I've seen fat ass soldiers.

    There are fat asses everywhere.

    Might want to check that out on snopes big guy.
    LOL. You seem a bit worried, my friend. No bother. My father and brother was/is Army. Brother just got back from third year long tour from Afghanistan. Dad was career Army with two tours in Viet Nam. Being an Army brat born in '56, I grew up with Viet Nam as a background to my childhood.

    Still, it is funny to see you so worked up about it. As for the snopes story, thanks for the info: snopes.com: Stabbed Marine
    Last edited by Rising Sun; 06-17-12 at 09:28 PM.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Agian, no one argues we were not wise. And there may well be a mutual need arrangment. That means we wouldn't have succeeded without them and them without us. But, the fact remains, we cannot take credit for the awakening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's that poor nation esteem rearing it's ugly head again. When some lose a debate on facts, they resort to this type of thing becasue they don't believe in the country enough to be honest.
    Well, I'm not losing the debate here. Just noting your tendency to blame America at any chance and deny any positive attributed to it.

    The awakening simply would have gone nowhere without US support whether or not the Awakening assisted US/UN goals.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I'm not losing the debate here. Just noting your tendency to blame America at any chance and deny any positive attributed to it.

    The awakening simply would have gone nowhere without US support whether or not the Awakening assisted US/UN goals.
    Like I said, poor nation self esteem. The argument is not what the awakening would or would not have done without the US eventually lending a hand. I concede it is likely both needed each other, and I commend the wisdom of our leaders to take advantage of it. But the fact is that we did not start the awakening, nor did we come up with the idea. They did. And we were lucky that they did.

    Some lack such national esteem that they can't give credit where credit is due and want to say that all good is theirs and all bad someone elses. In case you're confused, you and CP would belong to that group.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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