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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Uhhhhhh, yeah, looks like you did miss it. Maybe it's because you didn't even read the friggin article.
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    Thousands marched throughout Oakland Tuesday
    Oh well, a text message from a protester. What more proof do you need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Enabled by US forces.....

    He had the idea first, and then came to us. The argument here is whether we went to him. We did not. The idea was his and that was good fortune for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh well, a text message from a protester. What more proof do you need?
    Oh well, conspiracy theories about war for oil. What more proof do you need?
    The funny part is that if that text had said something like "The police are brutalizing us" you would have no issue with believing it.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Obama appointed General Shinseki to be secretary of the VA, for starters....
    the budget has been increased considerably, more people hired to deal with the massive influx of new claims coming in...
    Shinseki also added 3 new diseases to the Agent Orange presumptive list..
    also...
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04...unding-for-va/



    Look up google, it's a search engine, type in the magic words, and learn for yourself.

    I will be voting for Romney, tho, as I am not a single issue voter, and think that Mitt has a better chance at turning the economy around...
    It's not a matter of googling, it's a matter of understanding what it is that Pres. Obama did for vets that you think is so great.
    There is no question that Pres. Bush has/had a great affinity for vets, so I wanted you to explain what was important to you. Here's a summary of Bush's contribution to veterans affairs:

    *Dramatically Increased Funding To Support And Care For Those Who Have Served Our Nation

    Increased funding for veterans' medical care by more than 115 percent since 2001.

    FY 2009 funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) totals more than $97 billion, nearly double the level of funding when the President took office and the highest level of support for veterans in history.

    Provided more than $6 billion to modernize and expand VA medical facilities and more than $1 billion over the past three years to support traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder treatment and research.

    Honored our veterans with a hallowed, final resting place by implementing and fully funding the largest expansion in the national cemetery system since the Civil War.

    *Improved Care And Services For Wounded Warriors

    Created the Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded Warriors – co-chaired by former Senator Bob Dole and former Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala – to ensure that wounded service members and veterans receive quality care and services and can live lives of hope, promise, and dignity. Nearly all of the Commission's recommendations have already been implemented, such as:

    Expanded training, screening, and staff resources to help service members and veterans suffering from mental health disorders.
    Created a joint Recovery Coordinator Program for seriously injured service members.

    Initiated a pilot program to replace the cumbersome system of two separate disability examinations with a single, comprehensive medical exam.
    Established a Center of Excellence for Psychological Health and Traumatic Brain Injury and expanded VA's polytrauma system of care to 21 network sites and clinic support teams to provide state-of-the-art treatment to injured veterans at facilities closer to their homes.

    *Ensured Those Who Have Served Our Country Receive The Benefits They Deserve

    Called for and signed a GI Bill for the 21st century, which expanded education benefits for service members and veterans and made it easier for those who defend our Nation to transfer unused education benefits to their spouses or children.

    Increased career counseling services for returning veterans, particularly those wounded in combat.

    Signed legislation that increased from two to five years a combat veteran's eligibility to enroll for lifetime VA medical care and allowed family members of injured service members to take additional time away from their jobs to care for their loved ones.

    Signed legislation to ensure military retirees with severe disabilities receive both their military retired pay and their VA disability compensation.
    Helped more than 1.9 million veterans enroll in the VA health care system since 2001.

    Reduced the average length of time to process a veteran's disability claim to under 180 days, down from 230 days when the President took office.

    *Worked To Decrease The Number Of Homeless Veterans

    Expanded Federal grants and worked extensively with faith-based and community organizations to help homeless veterans.
    Cut the number of homeless veterans by nearly 40 percent from 2001 to 2007.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not a matter of googling, it's a matter of understanding what it is that Pres. Obama did for vets that you think is so great.
    There is no question that Pres. Bush has/had a great affinity for vets, so I wanted you to explain what was important to you. Here's a summary of Bush's contribution to veterans affairs:

    *Dramatically Increased Funding To Support And Care For Those Who Have Served Our Nation

    Increased funding for veterans' medical care by more than 115 percent since 2001.

    FY 2009 funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) totals more than $97 billion, nearly double the level of funding when the President took office and the highest level of support for veterans in history.

    Provided more than $6 billion to modernize and expand VA medical facilities and more than $1 billion over the past three years to support traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder treatment and research.

    Honored our veterans with a hallowed, final resting place by implementing and fully funding the largest expansion in the national cemetery system since the Civil War.

    *Improved Care And Services For Wounded Warriors

    Created the Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded Warriors – co-chaired by former Senator Bob Dole and former Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala – to ensure that wounded service members and veterans receive quality care and services and can live lives of hope, promise, and dignity. Nearly all of the Commission's recommendations have already been implemented, such as:

    Expanded training, screening, and staff resources to help service members and veterans suffering from mental health disorders.
    Created a joint Recovery Coordinator Program for seriously injured service members.

    Initiated a pilot program to replace the cumbersome system of two separate disability examinations with a single, comprehensive medical exam.
    Established a Center of Excellence for Psychological Health and Traumatic Brain Injury and expanded VA's polytrauma system of care to 21 network sites and clinic support teams to provide state-of-the-art treatment to injured veterans at facilities closer to their homes.

    *Ensured Those Who Have Served Our Country Receive The Benefits They Deserve

    Called for and signed a GI Bill for the 21st century, which expanded education benefits for service members and veterans and made it easier for those who defend our Nation to transfer unused education benefits to their spouses or children.

    Increased career counseling services for returning veterans, particularly those wounded in combat.

    Signed legislation that increased from two to five years a combat veteran's eligibility to enroll for lifetime VA medical care and allowed family members of injured service members to take additional time away from their jobs to care for their loved ones.

    Signed legislation to ensure military retirees with severe disabilities receive both their military retired pay and their VA disability compensation.
    Helped more than 1.9 million veterans enroll in the VA health care system since 2001.

    Reduced the average length of time to process a veteran's disability claim to under 180 days, down from 230 days when the President took office.

    *Worked To Decrease The Number Of Homeless Veterans

    Expanded Federal grants and worked extensively with faith-based and community organizations to help homeless veterans.
    Cut the number of homeless veterans by nearly 40 percent from 2001 to 2007.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.


    And it makes little difference to you that the majority of what's going on in the VA under President Obama is little more than a continuation of President Bush's policies?

    Personally, I think every President should build on the last when it comes to such agencies as the VA, but I fail to see how anything Obama has done has had a greater impact for veterans than President Bush, but rather has just built on his (and previous administrations) foundations.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Can you name some things President Obama has done for us? I haven't seen you post that as of yet. Thanks.
    I'll do you one better. Go to: Veterans | The White House and read all about the veteran services and employment initiatives this President has ushered in.

    On maintaining a strong national defense and facing global contingencies including but not limited to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, go to: Defense | The White House.

    I'm certainly not going to sit here and tell you something you can find and read for yourself directly from the source. So, once again (because I provided links to both Presidential hopefuls before), if you really want to know what the President has done and what Mitt Romney hopes to do, just go to their respective websites (http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense) and read the info for yourself.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And it makes little difference to you that the majority of what's going on in the VA under President Obama is little more than a continuation of President Bush's policies?

    Personally, I think every President should build on the last when it comes to such agencies as the VA, but I fail to see how anything Obama has done has had a greater impact for veterans than President Bush, but rather has just built on his (and previous administrations) foundations.
    GW Bush didn't provide the level of medical treatment and support to our returning wounded warriors like Pres. Obama has done. Nor did GW provide tax incentives for job placement or provide a venue where veterans can convert aspects of their military training to the civilian workforce as Pres. Obama is doing. Of course, in truth how could he? Most of the wounded have just now begun to return home. But is Pres. Obama being given credit for that?

    The only things he can really do for our active duty force is ensure they are promptly and properly equipment with the resources they need to carry out their mission, ensure that the mission is clear and winnable (not to mention define what "winning" truly means) and leave much of the planning and execution of said mission to the military brass which he has done broader and much more swiftly than GW Bush. But again, I will echo once again what I said earlier which apparently you agree with and that is Pres. Obama has had the benefit of hindsight to build on what his predecessor has done. But "building" on something typically means "expanding" or "improving upon" such initiative. Even the quips you provided (post #774) outline just such expansions; in some cases GW merely built upon his own successes (i.e., Increased funding for veterans' medical care by more than 115 percent since 2001;
    FY 2009 funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) totals more than $97 billion, nearly double the level of funding when the President took office and the highest level of support for veterans in history). To that most people simply refuse to give this President his due credit.

    If we're going to have a true and meaningful dialog, can we atleast be honest about the issues in which we speak?
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    GW Bush didn't provide the level of medical treatment and support to our returning wounded warriors like Pres. Obama has done.
    I don't beleive that to be true. In fact, under his administration, the treatment of TBI and other brain trauma was significantly expanded, among other things.

    Nor did GW provide tax incentives for job placement
    Definately a plus for Obama

    or provide a venue where veterans can convert aspects of their military training to the civilian workforce as Pres. Obama is doing.
    Not true, this has been in place for years and not only predates Obama, but Bush as well. Granting college credit for military schooling has been in place for at least 24 years.

    Of course, in truth how could he? Most of the wounded have just now begun to return home.
    That doesn't even make sense. The wars have been ongoing since 2001.

    But is Pres. Obama being given credit for that?
    He get's credit for what he's done, sure. But to say he's done more for vets than Bush did is simply not true.

    The only things he can really do for our active duty force is ensure they are promptly and properly equipment with the resources they need to carry out their mission, ensure that the mission is clear and winnable (not to mention define what "winning" truly means) and leave much of the planning and execution of said mission to the military brass which he has done broader and much more swiftly than GW Bush.
    Again, not necessarily true. In fact, all he's done is continue Bush policies in the warzone. If it makes you feel better, I approve of his handling of Libya.

    But again, I will echo once again what I said earlier which apparently you agree with and that is Pres. Obama has had the benefit of hindsight to build on what his predecessor has done. But "building" on something typically means "expanding" or "improving upon" such initiative.
    This is not in question, however in order to "get credit" one must come up with something new and amazing...

    Even the quips you provided (post #774) outline just such expansions; in some cases GW merely built upon his own successes (i.e., Increased funding for veterans' medical care by more than 115 percent since 2001;
    FY 2009 funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) totals more than $97 billion, nearly double the level of funding when the President took office and the highest level of support for veterans in history). To that most people simply refuse to give this President his due credit.

    If we're going to have a true and meaningful dialog, can we atleast be honest about the issues in which we speak?
    "GW merely built on his own successes"? That's pretty much what I said, and this conversation was not an accusation that Pres. Obama has done nothing for vets. I simply disagree that he has done more for vets than Bush, as Utah seems to think.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He had the idea first, and then came to us. The argument here is whether we went to him. We did not. The idea was his and that was good fortune for us.


    The New Counterinsurgency Field Manual was written in 2006

    Based off of lessons we had learned from the 1880's through the 1920's and then demonstrated Proof of Concept in Vietnam. Generals Odierno and Gurganus were flying out to the Syrian border to bring back the leadership in 2006, when we began shaping efforts. Nor was this all about Sattar. Remember, Counterinsurgency is local.

    He had the idea first? This has been part of Marine Corps doctrine for 90 years.

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