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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    not politically correct.



    What about the spouse or kid you can transfer the benefit too? Read up on it. It is by far the single best vet benefit ever enacted....under Bush.
    I am aware of that....but I didn't say Bush did nothing, I said he did little in 8 years, compared to Obama....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am aware of that....but I didn't say Bush did nothing, I said he did little in 8 years, compared to Obama....
    Can you name some things President Obama has done for us? I haven't seen you post that as of yet. Thanks.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am aware of that....but I didn't say Bush did nothing, I said he did little in 8 years, compared to Obama....
    And he did....?
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Obama appointed General Shinseki to be secretary of the VA, for starters....
    the budget has been increased considerably, more people hired to deal with the massive influx of new claims coming in...
    Shinseki also added 3 new diseases to the Agent Orange presumptive list..
    also...
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04...unding-for-va/



    Look up google, it's a search engine, type in the magic words, and learn for yourself.

    I will be voting for Romney, tho, as I am not a single issue voter, and think that Mitt has a better chance at turning the economy around...
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Look up google, it's a search engine, type in the magic words, and learn for yourself.
    I love the simple yet complex sarcasm of this statement. I was literally laughing out loud when I read it. Good stuff man. Kudos.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is absolutely true:

    "In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."
    Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com

    Let's do the math there. If only 44% of post 9/11 Vets think Iraq was worth fighting, that means 56% think it wasn't worth fighting. Last time I checked, 56% is a majority.
    I don't think the question of how many think it was worth it is too meaningful, as if an opinion either way means much. Instead, I'd be interested in what makes it worth the effort?

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am aware of that....but I didn't say Bush did nothing, I said he did little in 8 years, compared to Obama....
    that is a matter of opinion.. and is not factual

    appointing a secretary of the VA is not an accomplishment, it's a duty... yes, Obama appointed Shinseki ... Bush appointed Principi ( now deputy Secretary), Nicholson, Mansfield , and Peake.. big deal.
    the new GI BIll... which was a huge change, was signed in by Bush..
    Bush increased the VA budget more than Presidents Reagan, Bush sr, Clinton, and Obama... combined.
    VA spending grew by 6 billion under Reagan, 3 billion under Bush Senior, 10 Billion Under Clinton, 15 billion under Obama.... and 40 billion under Dubya
    Bush significantly increased funding, training, and resources for wounded vets... that is an indisputable fact.

    to say Bush did "little" is simply false... even if it's a statement made in comparison to Obama.

    there is a narrative pushed by Sen Webb which states VA spending under Obama is more than double than it was in 1980( even when adjusted for inflation).. and that is very true, it is more than double actually... however, what that narrative does not address is that the majority of those increases did not happen under Obama.. Obama's increases are substantial ,sure, ... lets not get carried away here.. Obama has done little in comparison to Bush.





    as veteran myself, I won't ever turn away our vets in need... but these increases and entitlements ...well, they ain't free.. they are costly ( about 112 billion a year,)... we need to watch out for, and eliminate , waste and unnecessary expenditures in The VA as well as in any other department... and out brother veterans need to be held accountable as well... by that , I mean we need to look out for our brothers by by not taking benefits we do not need.(need as opposed to want or entitlement)
    technically and legally speaking, I'm a disabled vet( which speaks to the absurdities of the qualifications )... I take no VA benefits, but I know quite a few disabled vets who are only disabled in the eyes of the law, not in reality, who do take benefits... to me, they are little more than thieves... taking benefits, and money, that can and should go to the deserving.

    ( i'm not saying you are not disabled, btw.. don't take this as an attack on you.. I don't know your situation)

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that is a matter of opinion.. and is not factual

    appointing a secretary of the VA is not an accomplishment, it's a duty... yes, Obama appointed Shinseki ... Bush appointed Principi ( now deputy Secretary), Nicholson, Mansfield , and Peake.. big deal.
    the new GI BIll... which was a huge change, was signed in by Bush..
    Bush increased the VA budget more than Presidents Reagan, Bush sr, Clinton, and Obama... combined.
    VA spending grew by 6 billion under Reagan, 3 billion under Bush Senior, 10 Billion Under Clinton, 15 billion under Obama.... and 40 billion under Dubya
    Bush significantly increased funding, training, and resources for wounded vets... that is an indisputable fact.

    to say Bush did "little" is simply false... even if it's a statement made in comparison to Obama.

    there is a narrative pushed by Sen Webb which states VA spending under Obama is more than double than it was in 1980( even when adjusted for inflation).. and that is very true, it is more than double actually... however, what that narrative does not address is that the majority of those increases did not happen under Obama.. Obama's increases are substantial ,sure, ... lets not get carried away here.. Obama has done little in comparison to Bush.





    as veteran myself, I won't ever turn away our vets in need... but these increases and entitlements ...well, they ain't free.. they are costly ( about 112 billion a year,)... we need to watch out for, and eliminate , waste and unnecessary expenditures in The VA as well as in any other department... and out brother veterans need to be held accountable as well... by that , I mean we need to look out for our brothers by by not taking benefits we do not need.(need as opposed to want or entitlement)
    technically and legally speaking, I'm a disabled vet( which speaks to the absurdities of the qualifications )... I take no VA benefits, but I know quite a few disabled vets who are only disabled in the eyes of the law, not in reality, who do take benefits... to me, they are little more than thieves... taking benefits, and money, that can and should go to the deserving.

    ( i'm not saying you are not disabled, btw.. don't take this as an attack on you.. I don't know your situation)
    I see fraud and abuse and waste as well. got a younger sibling getting 50% for hearing loss, and his hearing is about as bad as mine, for which I get nothing. Difference is, he went in with bad hearing and it got a little worse. I went in with good hearing and over time it got bad. In conversation, in a quiet environment, nobody can tell that either of us have hearing issues, except for low volume high frequencie sounds.
    But a bigger issue is, why didn't the govt account for future veterans needs when the wars were started, in advance, instead of playing catch up...
    We can't just look at total VA spending alone, it has to be broken out....compensation for disabilities has to be looked at apart form GI Bill for education, for example.

    Another sibling, older one, is retired air force, 20 years and our govt denied him medical care that was promised when he enlisted. He had heart issues and ended up fiing bankruptcy to pay for medical bills that the USAF and VA should have paid for. Congress was stiffing the retired veterans as well as the non-retired veterans.....Different times, different issues.....

    I have stage 3 Parkinson's (agent orange exposure), and glad to have it instead of the many other more serious things that so many vets suffer from. Mangled bodies from stepping on mines, driving over IED's, at a very young age then suffering for many decades, those are far more serious and long term than PD which typically takes 20 years to kill..
    OTOH, when I get to stage 5 PD, it won't be pretty. I will be housebound first, then bedridden and will need full time care. The lucky ones die of something else first, but my family tree shows only one thing, colon cancer, and not much of that, so it will be more likely the PD gets me. My issue started about age 55, wasn't properly diagnosed til age 62, but by that time my employer had dumped me for not being able to do my job anymore, at age 58. Balance issues and loss of manual dexterity were the early symptoms that made my job more difficult. The tremors didn't start til age 61. Good thing the wife had a good job, and our house was paid off....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not the point, the point is that you call anyone that disagrees with you "far right".
    Not at all, merely the ones that support far-right positions like Social Security and medicare are socialistic, climate change science is a conspiracy, and that Iraq was any kind of threat (other than their oil law) to the most powerful nation on the planet.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Cat, note the civil strife in the good ol USA....Civil strife is an indication that the people are standing up (and are able too). This never happened under the Saddam regime without a subsequent massacre. Furthermore, Democracy is infectious and is spreading throughout the middle-east.

    Think about it.
    Where are the new democracies operating in the middle east that are not being propped up by the American taxpayers?
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