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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We're not discussing that one way or the other - we have vets here agreeing with Mac and I that think the war in Iraq wasn't worth it. What is under discussion is whether or not the Surge worked. Even vets such as MarineTPartier who disagree with the move into Iraq agree that, yeah, it worked.
    What difference does it make??? There are already signs of return of the civil war in Iraq. The government there is considered one of the most corrupt in the region. The house of cards (friendly to the US) we built there will eventually be toppled just as were the corrupt governments in Tunisa, Egypt, Lybia, and Yemen.

    Its the same situation we had in Vietnam, us trying to prop up a corrupt government that a majority of the people in the country don't want.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All that proves is there are many on the far right responding. The majority of post 9/11 Vets say the war in Iraq wasn't worth it.
    That's not true, Cat, and you know it.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All that proves is there are many on the far right responding. The majority of post 9/11 Vets say the war in Iraq wasn't worth it.
    Well, anyone not on "the left" would be "far right" to you.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Didn't work out that way in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen did it?
    Uhm, yeah....actually it did.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, anyone not on "the left" would be "far right" to you.
    I have shown how conservatives are further right than they were in 1984.

    How would you show that I am further left than were liberals in 1984?
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not true, Cat, and you know it.
    It is absolutely true:

    "In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."
    Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com

    Let's do the math there. If only 44% of post 9/11 Vets think Iraq was worth fighting, that means 56% think it wasn't worth fighting. Last time I checked, 56% is a majority.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uhm, yeah....actually it did.
    The people of Iraq have not yet toppled the corrupt government in Iraq, but as I noted they recently had a protest that numbered 10,000, and civil strife continues. It may yet go the way of Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is absolutely true:

    "In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."
    Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com

    Let's do the math there. If only 44% of post 9/11 Vets think Iraq was worth fighting, that means 56% think it wasn't worth fighting. Last time I checked, 56% is a majority.
    1. I find it interesting that this polls only people who have been in the military, rather than those who have deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan

    2. In the context of this debate, I find it interesting that in even this sample:

    ...Post-9/11 veterans were keen supporters of nation-building, with 59% supporting those roles for America's service members. But only 45% of the public and pre-9/11 veterans thought the military should be involved....

    Also worth noting only 39% support the President's plan to start withdrawing from Afghanistan.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Military Times Poll 2012:

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    Should the U.S. have gone to war in Iraq?


    Yes 42.55%
    No 36.69%
    No opinion 15.16%
    Decline to answer 5.61%

    ...

    Do you think the war in Iraq was a success?

    Yes, very successful 10.45%
    Yes, somewhat successful 50.96%
    No, not very successful 15.16%
    No, not successful at all 8.66%
    It's too early to tell 14.78%
    Interestingly, those numbers are even higher for guard and reserve.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have shown how conservatives are further right than they were in 1984.

    How would you show that I am further left than were liberals in 1984?
    Not the point, the point is that you call anyone that disagrees with you "far right".
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