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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's cute that you repeat this claim after I've already demonstrated to you that Romney is thus far losing the big money to Obama.


    Ah, reading later I see this:



    so. You have now moved the goalpost twice. Tell me, is it the 1% that you are trying to avoid? Or specifically people that work in the investment industry? Those two categories are not the same. Furthermore, I have a cousin who was in that industry - he banked around $45K-ish, a year all told. Is he an evil member of the manipulative elite?

    When President Obama uses John Corzine - currently under investigation for "misplacing" people's money to the tune of $1.2 BILLION - as a bundler, does that make you proud? or embarrassed?
    I am embarrassed by all politicians, but I realize they come from the general populace which is equally ****ed up so I pick the one that best represents the working man and our economy.

    And that ain't Romney, the king of the 1%, (former Wall Streeter himself) who is leading in donations from Wall Street and in Super Pac donations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am embarrassed by all politicians, but I realize they come from the general populace which is equally ****ed up so I pick the one that best represents the working man and our economy.

    And that ain't Romney, the king of the 1%, (former Wall Streeter himself) who is leading in donations from Wall Street and in Super Pac donations.


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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Your distaste for the American people is noted.
    Or, recognition that we are less than perfect is being a realist.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Which people who voted in the poll are not vets or current military personnel? I changed the wording to fit the title since "active duty personal(sic)" excludes Guardsmen and Reservists.
    personnel....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am embarrassed by all politicians, but I realize they come from the general populace which is equally ****ed up so I pick the one that best represents the working man and our economy.

    And that ain't Romney, the king of the 1%, (former Wall Streeter himself) who is leading in donations from Wall Street and in Super Pac donations.
    Actually, Romney and his family are the embodiment of the American dream....those that despise him obviously have self esteem issues. Keep it real, Cat.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, recognition that we are less than perfect is being a realist.
    I hear Canada has it's doors open. You could always go there...
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You owe that veteran an apology. Are you man enough to give one?
    Apparently he (Sgt. Rock) isn't man enough.
    Last edited by Wiggen; 06-09-12 at 07:23 PM.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    right, your full of excrement. You just recently became eligible to enlist. You are to young to have served in the 82nd Airborne. I was an Airborne instructer at Ft Benning Ga back in the day. I can see right through you, imposter.
    And you know this, how?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It really doesn't matter what his thinking was, it was his idea, they came up with it and they were willing to go in that direction. Without that, the outcome would have been very different. Bush ahd already bailed on the Afghanis long before Obama took office; in fact, it was Obama who brough the focus back to Afghanistan.
    Like I said, that decision would not have been made if they weren't sure they would have American backing them until they won. The biggest indicator that this was the case was when Satar was killed, the movement continued.
    President Obama made a mistake doubling down in Afghanistan. The main reason being that we are now under the authority of NATO there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is very little positive about either country. Iraq is closer to Iran than they were before we came. Both see brutality to their people. Both have suffered a great deal. And neither offeres very much that helps us.
    So your opinion is that Iraq is not a better ally than Afghanistan? I think that is incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Waterboarding isn't new. And at least one person died while in a stress position. But the fact is waterboarding has always been considered torture, we, the US, have called it torture, and you can't erase that history because you now want to to excuse our behavior. BTW, torture is not very effective. And while these boards have been down this road many, many times, I still can show where we got misinformation that we used (al Libi) and no one has matched that with any information just as verifiable that we actually got from torture. Other methods have proven repeatedly to be more effective and just as fast. In Iraq, for example (read "The Gamble") we got better intel once we stopped the harsher treatment. So, my position is that your perception of what works is wrong.
    Field interrogations where fast intel is needed are the situations I speak of. If we have time to get a bad guy all the way to Guantanamo, then yeah lay off the rough stuff. If we have that much time to waste getting them there, time is not of the essence. But when we bust into a house and find one guy when we were expecting 5, there's no faster way.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Boo Radley. I am sorry for the false claim I made about your military service. I just couln't believe that someone who comes across as a child could have served. Once again I apologise.
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