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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So you were a McCain voter in 2008?
    Both McCain and Obama proposed finance reform in 08. So the big money donors were more even.

    This election, after Obama passed finance reform and Romney has pledged to undo it, Romney is getting funded 5 to 1 over Obama from Wall Street, and also collecting more super pac donations.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Don't know about you, but I'm going for the viable candidate that is getting the least money from the 1%.
    The least money from the 1% huh? Are you purposely baiting people into making fun of you?

    "This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."


    University of California $1,648,685
    Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
    Harvard University $878,164
    Microsoft Corp $852,167
    Google Inc $814,540
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
    Citigroup Inc $736,771
    Time Warner $624,618
    Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
    Stanford University $595,716
    National Amusements Inc $563,798
    WilmerHale LLP $550,668
    Columbia University $547,852
    Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
    UBS AG $532,674
    IBM Corp $532,372
    General Electric $529,855
    US Government $513,308
    Morgan Stanley $512,232
    Latham & Watkins $503,295
    Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Both McCain and Obama proposed finance reform in 08. So the big money donors were more even.
    I think MarineTpartier has already pretty thoroughly embarrassed you for this hilarious claim. Obama raised significantly more than McCain did from the 1%.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think MarineTpartier has already pretty thoroughly embarrassed you for this hilarious claim. Obama raised significantly more than McCain did from the 1%.
    Well, it wasn't really hard to do man. I don't deserve too much credit for that one.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Well, it wasn't really hard to do man. I don't deserve too much credit for that one.
    fair enough. The blind ignorance of Catawba's argument is only barely less entertaining than the fact that he will not allow the standard that he has proposed to actually effect his vote.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    fair enough. The blind ignorance of Catawba's argument is only barely less entertaining than the fact that he will not allow the standard that he has proposed to actually effect his vote.
    Well said sir.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is a load crap. A candidate is the front runner because the media says so. The media did pick these candidates.
    No, he's a front runner because he's accomplished something. Won the latest primary, polled better, got more support. It really is that simple.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The least money from the 1% huh? Are you purposely baiting people into making fun of you?

    "This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."


    University of California $1,648,685
    Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
    Harvard University $878,164
    Microsoft Corp $852,167
    Google Inc $814,540
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
    Citigroup Inc $736,771
    Time Warner $624,618
    Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
    Stanford University $595,716
    National Amusements Inc $563,798
    WilmerHale LLP $550,668
    Columbia University $547,852
    Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
    UBS AG $532,674
    IBM Corp $532,372
    General Electric $529,855
    US Government $513,308
    Morgan Stanley $512,232
    Latham & Watkins $503,295
    Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets
    As compared to McCain from the same site:

    "Merrill Lynch $375,895
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $343,505
    Citigroup Inc $338,202
    Morgan Stanley $271,902
    Goldman Sachs $240,295
    US Government $202,929
    AT&T Inc $201,938
    Wachovia Corp $199,663
    UBS AG $187,493
    Credit Suisse Group $184,153
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $169,400
    US Army $169,020
    Bank of America $167,826
    Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $160,346
    Blank Rome LLP $155,226
    Greenberg Traurig LLP $147,437
    US Dept of Defense $146,356
    FedEx Corp $131,974
    Lehman Brothers $126,557
    Ernst & Young $114,506


    And that was in 2008, before Obama's finance reform, proposal to increase capital gains taxes, and proposed cuts to the military/industrial complex. This election the big wall street money is going 5 to 1 in Romney's favor who has pledged to dismantle finance reform, increase the tax cuts for the wealthy, and increase spending to the military/industrial complex.

    All music to Wall Street's ears.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As compared to McCain from the same site:

    "Merrill Lynch $375,895
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $343,505
    Citigroup Inc $338,202
    Morgan Stanley $271,902
    Goldman Sachs $240,295
    US Government $202,929
    AT&T Inc $201,938
    Wachovia Corp $199,663
    UBS AG $187,493
    Credit Suisse Group $184,153
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $169,400
    US Army $169,020
    Bank of America $167,826
    Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $160,346
    Blank Rome LLP $155,226
    Greenberg Traurig LLP $147,437
    US Dept of Defense $146,356
    FedEx Corp $131,974
    Lehman Brothers $126,557
    Ernst & Young $114,506
    Well that's interesting - It seems most of McCain's donations are 1/2 to 1/3 of Obama's . Rather the direct opposite of your claim that Both McCain and Obama proposed finance reform in 08. So the big money donors were more even.

    This election the big wall street money is going 5 to 1 in Romney's favor
    This is not correct. Some companies may be betting more on Romney than Obama, but the fact remains that Obama's fundraising is indeed concentrated on the 1%, and any discrepancy is in no way similar to the orders of magnitude you are describing.

    According to the Same source, for example, Romney has raised (as of April 30) $97,963,836 12% of which was small individuals. Obama (same date) has raised $217,052,304, 44% of which was small individuals.

    88% of $97,963,836 is..... $86,208,175 for Romney from large donors.
    56% of $217,052,304 is.... $121, 549,290 for Obama from large donors.

    Meaning that Obama actually currently has raised roughly $35,341,114 more than Romney has from large donors.


    Let me know when you decide to switch your vote to Romney based on the earlier standard you described of voting for the person who got fewer donations from the rich

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Catawba, aren't you tired of getting pwned? Just admit it, you are voting for President Obama because he has a (D) beside his name and nothing else. So far, you have claimed to believe in the following things:
    No useless war: President Obama has waged war at the same rate as his predecessor.
    The 1%: President Obama is as in bed with the 1% as any other politician is. I don't see any "middle class" people paying $40K to get into a dinner at Clooney's house. Do you?
    Romney is a flip flopper: President Obama hasn't closed Guantanamo. He hasn't repealed the Bush Tax Cuts. Increased taxes on families making under $250K despite promise not to. I could keep going.
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

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