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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the bolded portion is incorrect. First off, it's not an occupation, we provided close air support for the insurgency. There are actually no "boots on the ground", so to speak. Unless something has changed that I'm unaware of, we have not occupied Libya, and have no plans to do so. Second, this was a joint NATO operation, we aren't even playing a top dog role in this endeavor, which is a good thing.

    I'm not an Obama guy at all, but I have to say, I think he handled the Libya situation pretty well.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the bolded portion is incorrect. First off, it's not an occupation, we provided close air support for the insurgency. There are actually no "boots on the ground", so to speak. Unless something has changed that I'm unaware of, we have not occupied Libya, and have no plans to do so. Second, this was a joint NATO operation, we aren't even playing a top dog role in this endeavor, which is a good thing.

    I'm not an Obama guy at all, but I have to say, I think he handled the Libya situation pretty well.
    Its a typo, Boo obviously meant to say didn't, instead of did.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Then I retract my statement.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I understand and support your sentiments MT, but what war has Obama started that you have served in? Actually, he ended one of the wars started by the last administration and has laid out a plan to end the remaining war.
    Your partisanship knows no bounds does it? Iraq was already over when he was sworn in. President Bush ended it. President Obama should have ended Afghanistan a looooooong time ago. 2014? He's doing the same thing with Afghanistan as he is the debt. Pushing it off on the next generation. If he is not reelected, do you really believe Romney will honor that? I don't. I think he'll extend it indefinitely. President Obama should have done the right thing and pulled us out of ALL of these places and back home. Instead, he's made it "his war" as he likes to say and we're still there. As a matter of fact, I just had one of two Marines that have been mentors to me in my career step on an IED today. He may not live through it and will almost definitely lose both legs. Dude has a wife and two kids under 7. For what? So President Obama can save some political and worldwide face by making it look like we're putting an honest effort into winning over there. What we're really doing is guarding an entire country so he can have secure airfields to launch UAV's from. When he lowered his right hand after his oath, it became his responsibility. We're still there. I blame him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Your partisanship knows no bounds does it? Iraq was already over when he was sworn in. President Bush ended it.
    Romney said it was too soon. He is in fact the only other viable choice. I choose the guy that ended it rather than the guy who says it was too soon to end it.

    President Obama should have ended Afghanistan a looooooong time ago. 2014?
    I agree, I think he should have ended it sooner, unfortunately the only viable alternative to the hawkish Obama was even more hawkish.


    He's doing the same thing with Afghanistan as he is the debt. Pushing it off on the next generation. If he is not reelected, do you really believe Romney will honor that? I don't. I think he'll extend it indefinitely.
    Exactly why I am voting for Obama and not Romney.

    President Obama should have done the right thing and pulled us out of ALL of these places and back home. Instead, he's made it "his war" as he likes to say and we're still there. As a matter of fact, I just had one of two Marines that have been mentors to me in my career step on an IED today. He may not live through it and will almost definitely lose both legs. Dude has a wife and two kids under 7. For what? So President Obama can save some political and worldwide face by making it look like we're putting an honest effort into winning over there.
    As opposed to the GOP putting and honest effort to make it look like we could ever win over there???

    Who is the viable candidate proposing a quicker drawdown of troops than the president?

    What we're really doing is guarding an entire country so he can have secure airfields to launch UAV's from. When he lowered his right hand after his oath, it became his responsibility. We're still there. I blame him.
    Beats a hundred years which his opponent was fine with.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    If every American who supports the United State's ever increasing military involvement in foreign wars was required to serve and go to war, we'd have a hell of lot less involvement in international military engagements. Regretfully the vast majority of Americans have no idea what they are really asking of the small percentage of American men and women in uniform. For those who serve the sacrifice is immense.

    Romney nor Obama are not going to stop any war as long as the military-industrial complex shouts louder than the American public.










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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    If every American who supports the United State's ever increasing military involvement in foreign wars was required to serve and go to war, we'd have a hell of lot less involvement in international military engagements. Regretfully the vast majority of Americans have no idea what they are really asking of the small percentage of American men and women in uniform. For those who serve the sacrifice is immense.

    Romney nor Obama are not going to stop any war as long as the military-industrial complex shouts louder than the American public.
    And we have fallen down in our job of shouting against it. I think bringing back the draft would be beneficial to our country and the rest of the world in the long run.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And we have fallen down in our job of shouting against it. I think bringing back the draft would be beneficial to our country and the rest of the world in the long run.
    Indeed, my friend. I do agree. I almost said that in my post. If they make me King of America tomorrow - and right now that isn't looking too good - I would do two things:

    Thing One: Reinstitute the draft.

    Thing Two: Repeal the War Powers Act.

    I'd do both in a heartbeat.










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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Romney said it was too soon. He is in fact the only other viable choice. I choose the guy that ended it rather than the guy who says it was too soon to end it.
    So you're a lesser of two evils guy. Got it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree, I think he should have ended it sooner, unfortunately the only viable alternative to the hawkish Obama was even more hawkish.
    So don't vote for either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As opposed to the GOP putting and honest effort to make it look like we could ever win over there???
    When did I defend the GOP? I'm not partisan like you man. Don't try to frame me into your tunnel vision.
    Also, we could win over there. I don't agree that we are there. But, we could win over there. Very easily actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who is the viable candidate proposing a quicker drawdown of troops than the president?
    Define viable. If by viable you mean the candidate funded by one of the two reigning powerhouse parties that dominate our politics because mindless drones continue to vote for the hand puppets they place in front of them then I guess you're voting for the right guy.
    However, if by viable you mean the candidate the best represents what I believe in and leaves me feeling as though I honored my personal values and not like I need to take a shower when I get home then Ron Paul is who I'll vote for.
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    Beats a hundred years which his opponent was fine with.
    Easy to say when you never go.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And we have fallen down in our job of shouting against it. I think bringing back the draft would be beneficial to our country and the rest of the world in the long run.
    There are some problems with the draft. While an equal number of males and females would now be subject to it, that is neither what the military requires, nor what society would readily accept, making the draft unlikely to help the military or the politicians that would approve it. The training costs involved vs. the time actually served after training is not nearly as good for draftees as for volunteers.
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