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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential elections?
    Acutally neither, but I will be voting against Obama. I guess that counts as a vote for Romney, but my intention is to get rid of Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You are right in a narrow technical sense.
    No, I was right in a not-starting-any-new-wars sense.

    However, it was President Obama who escalated the Afghanistan War twice, doubled the number of troops, adopted a nation building counter-insurgency strategy, and signed a Status of Forces Agreement with the Afghan Govt. that will keep significant troop levels in the country for at least ten years.
    Much of that was the plan all along. That's why I would have preferred a liberal in office, but the only viable choice we had in 2008 and again in November is somebody more even more hawkish.

    President Obama has also embarked on a policy of assassination by drone against the peoples of Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. All without the slightest shred of legal authority under either American or international law.
    The US has agreements with the countries for the drone attacks so is breaking no international laws.

    Finally, President Obama violated the War Powers Act through his unilateral decision to go to war in Libya. Nothing of substance was gained, and now the precedent of ignoring the War Powers Act exists for all future presidents.
    There was nothing unilateral about the attack against Gadaffy as it was a NATO mission, and Congress could have voted to end our participation but didn't.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I was right in a not-starting-any-new-wars sense.



    Much of that was the plan all along. That's why I would have preferred a liberal in office, but the only viable choice we had in 2008 and again in November is somebody more even more hawkish.



    The US has agreements with the countries for the drone attacks so is breaking no international laws.



    There was nothing unilateral about the attack against Gadaffy as it was a NATO mission, and Congress could have voted to end our participation but didn't.
    I just love to see liberals defending Obama for doing the same things they bashed Bush over. quite refreshing
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just love to see liberals defending Obama for doing the same things they bashed Bush over. quite refreshing

    I just love to see the far right attack the position they still hold. If Obama was the same as Bush, we would have invaded and occupied Libya on our own regardless of what NATO did. And just who is the viable contender that is proposing less military spending and optional wars than Obama???
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I just love to see the far right attack the position they still hold.
    who is attacking the position? I am attacking the hypocrisy of those who praise the position now and attacked it when Bush was POTUS. I said nothing about the validity of the position itself

    If Obama was the same as Bush, we would have invaded and occupied Libya on our own regardless of what NATO did.
    complete and total speculation

    And just who is the viable contender that is proposing less military spending and optional wars than Obama???
    actually, I am against reducing military spending and sometimes "optional" wars are not really "optional"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    who is attacking the position? I am attacking the hypocrisy of those who praise the position now and attacked it when Bush was POTUS. I said nothing about the validity of the position itself
    You don't even realize how hypocritical it is to chastise others war stance as being too hawkish, that is less hawkish than your own stance, do you?


    actually, I am against reducing military spending and sometimes "optional" wars are not really "optional"
    Of course, that's what makes your attack on Obama (who has proposed cutting military spending and optional wars) so hypocritical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't even realize how hypocritical it is to chastise others war stance as being too hawkish, that is less hawkish than your own stance, do you?
    you don't realize, despite me telling you, that I am not chastising the stance itself. the stance hasn't changed, only you and your's opinion of the stance. it was bad when it was bush and now it is good when it is obama.




    Of course, that's what makes your attack on Obama (who has proposed cutting military spending and optional wars) so hypocritical.
    of course, that's what makes your reply so idiotic. you don't realize I am not attacking Obama. I am attacking your hypocrisy over your praising obama for doing the same thing you bashed bush over
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you don't realize, despite me telling you, that I am not chastising the stance itself. the stance hasn't changed, only you and your's opinion of the stance. it was bad when it was bush and now it is good when it is obama.
    No its bad when either side start optional wars and spend excessively on the military. That's why I'm voting for the person that proposed spending cuts on the military and withdrew our troops from Iraq, rather than the person that promises to spend even more on the military and said we should have left our troops in Iraq.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just love to see liberals defending Obama for doing the same things they bashed Bush over. quite refreshing
    As someone not 100% happy with Obama, there are some difference. He's not arguing torture is OK. He did focus on Afghanistan (which is where many of us thought the focus should have stayed). He did try to close GITMO (failing is different than deciding to continue). He didn't invade Libya without the UN, occupy, and impose ourselves there (though I did not support what he did do). I'm just saying differences matter. You rarely get the same response from something that is different.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As someone not 100% happy with Obama, there are some difference. He's not arguing torture is OK. He did focus on Afghanistan (which is where many of us thought the focus should have stayed). He did try to close GITMO (failing is different than deciding to continue). He did invade Libya wihout the UN, occupy, and impose ourselves there (though I did not support what he did do). I'm just saying differences matter. You rarely get the same response from something that is different.
    I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the bolded portion is incorrect. First off, it's not an occupation, we provided close air support for the insurgency. There are actually no "boots on the ground", so to speak. Unless something has changed that I'm unaware of, we have not occupied Libya, and have no plans to do so. Second, this was a joint NATO operation, we aren't even playing a top dog role in this endeavor, which is a good thing.

    I'm not an Obama guy at all, but I have to say, I think he handled the Libya situation pretty well.
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