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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    The problem is the military and veterans make up a small percentage of the population and people already complain about how expensive it is. There was already a debate not too long ago about significantly raising the cost of healthcare for vets.

    The military is the way it has to be to perform its role if we ran the government like the military people would hate it.
    Yep. Stuff cost. It costs without the government as well. Comparatively, overall costs would be lower with UHC. But, we were speaking of quality here I think. So was Krystal.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Especially since military healthcare sucks.
    Others have said it is great. Which one is it?

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So sorry to hear about your grandbaby Utah. I hope she does well.
    thanks, she is doing well....
    she was diagnosed just before 7th birthday, been about 6 years now, "small" brain surgeries to releive pressure, one big surgery to take out a golf ball size tumor (attached to old tumor, but operable) that grew in a few months when they stopped chemo for a bit, to see what would happen. She had to have physical therapy after that, as she could barely walk with help after that surgery.
    She has done all the chemo she can, and is now on a new drug that seems to work well for her. New drug was a clinical trial, but not totally new, it has worked well on other kinds of tumors, so already FDA approved for those, will be for her kind of tumor soon.
    Insurance company refused to pay for ANY claims while whe was on the trail drug, even those not related to the tumor, the trial drug, anything. And they waited months to tell anybody that they would not pay, so big bills accumulateld.
    Then they didn't want to pay for the new drug. Lawyer made them see the light, but it took a while.
    Our son is employed, science teacher in High School, but the family medical insurance was not thru the school..
    They don't live extravagantly, pay their bills, etc. They are responsible people. THIS is why we need SOMETHING, if not ObamaCare....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Oh man...I was with you until you went there.

    Yeah, you're right. I tend to lump the "very liberal" into an idea I have about Leftists (not to be confused with Liberals).

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.

    If that's true, I have to wonder, "When will enough be enough?"

    Never. It's the capitalist way. Oh and China is a threat. And we haven't fully explored space yet. Haven't you seen Independence Day or Battlefield L.A.? "When will enough be enough." That's silly.

    By the way, I know you saw the Avengers, thereby helping it reach the number 4 spot (so far) for the most domestically earned film in history. Captain America is awesome.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.

    If that's true, I have to wonder, "When will enough be enough?"

    I am a veteran so I have a right to say this. The war machine (defense industry) is big money that lines the pockets of American politicians. Their propaganda money is on convincing you and I that our military budgets cannot be cut back even at the expense of education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. Hands off the military.

    So, how many times bigger than Russia and China does our military need to be? 2 times? 5 times? 20 times? 100 times?

    What say ye?
    enough will be enough when the sacred cows of other politicians/budgetery items are being butchered for beef...
    Pretty sure that every state has a cow in the military budget pasture...
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Others have said it is great. Which one is it?
    Depends on your experience. I don't think it's bad at all. This Post-9/11 generation is benefitting greatly from the Vietnam generation that was screwed royally and since they largely run the programs today. That generation is taking care of this one. The only thing that is a pain in the ass is the bureacracy of getting it sometimes (long lines, waiting times on phones, paperwork, etc). There's also the generic brand medications, but considering that it's free it's a good deal.

    The way I see it (different generation) I voluntarily signed a contract and I was paid every two weeks for twenty years for the privelege. The VA is busting its ass to make sure the government comes through with its repercusion obligations. And while something like PTSD (as an example) was never on a contract, the soldier shooting up a market store makes it a government obligation to community as well. But I don't expect my diapers to be changed. That's what marriage is for.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Others have said it is great. Which one is it?
    The one where I have to wear an ankle brace for the rest of my life because I wasn't allowed to get x rays, due to terrible medical practice from the only PA on post, no doctor, just a PA, with no oversight, tasked with caring for an entire battalion, and three detached companies.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Especially since military healthcare sucks.
    Military healthcare does not suck. I've used them for years and never really had an issue with the healthcare itself. Hell, the military offered to pay for me to get a nose job because my broken nose was due to a faulty piece of equipment.

    This is particularly true when you are talking about the healthcare the dependents use and not just what the military itself gets.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The one where I have to wear an ankle brace for the rest of my life because I wasn't allowed to get x rays, due to terrible medical practice from the only PA on post, no doctor, just a PA, with no oversight, tasked with caring for an entire battalion, and three detached companies.
    And I was delivered by a foot doctor at an Army hospital back in the 80s, but that does happen other places. I had a cousin delivered by a nurse.

    Plus, unfortunately the military job itself is what causes a lot of the problems with the healthcare in the military. Because 1) sometimes it just isn't practical to get things done in the best way because of what is available to us and the long distance from home or other better options and 2) what the military pay is unfortunately doesn't always draw in the best or even enough doctors to cover everyone.

    And I was wondering when and where your experience happened? From what I have seen military medical has been improving greatly in the last decade or so, particularly when we our here in this country.
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