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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    When it's a choice between Obama and Romney, It's Obama all the way.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

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    Bull****. You are once again making **** up, trying to spin some wild asses conspiracy theory and make comparisons that do not follow from what has been said, playing to emotions instead of logic. The harder you try and avoid admitting the uncomfortable truth, that you will benefit from programs that are socialist, you just go further and further into insanity and inanity.
    No....you cursor. And it is obviously you who are getting very emotional in your quest to pretend that an earned capitalistic retirement contract equates to a socialistic welfare program.

    According to the definition as given by another "very liberal" moderator, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

    Since my contract was with a company, how does my retirement belong to a community? My retirment is capitalist based. And you are confusing socialistic government programs with socialistic governance, since this is exactly what your definition leaned towards. So, according to this definition (and yours actually), how does my retirment equate to a social system where the community has control? My retirement program is based on the same type retirment program offerred by civilian corporations, which is a reward for labor....not because it's the government's duty to give me a handout. The Welfare individual receives assistance without having earned it. Much like a child's allowance. Does he merely receive a handout from his parents or is he cutting lawns and taking out the trash? Compare him to the other son who has no chores and you see the difference. Your attempt to equate the two is merely a cry to legitimize the handout. You may as well pretend that a man's salary (only if it comes from government, of course) is a socialistic program.

    And I'm not sure what you are considering a conspiracy. It's just what liberals do. Especially when they are "very."
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    It is a long tactic of Liberals (especially Leftists) to use our military to justify handouts to the rest and thereby an altered path from capitalism to socialism.
    Oh man...I was with you until you went there. Why don't you keep out blanket statements on "what liberals do" and stick to arguing the facts. I agreed with the idea that a contract between the government and a service man including the things offered including pensions/retirement etc is different than social safety nets.

    Or did that teacher, who taught for thirty years earn her retirement the same way a welfare commando earned his?
    And I agree with this...it would be nice if there was a little solidarity between public servants in general. When they cut the teachers pensions and the pensions for postal workers don't be suprised when they come after the soldiers. I'm just saying...it's the progression and ideology they peddle. That if you're are serving the government in anyway you're not a "producer"...that you're living high off the hog on tax payers.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.
    Especially since military healthcare sucks.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.
    I agree...this is my main view on this! That government can do no right but our military is the best in the world. That we should cut like crazy regulatory agencies but if we touch the military it will end up serverly crippling our capabilities.

    The military is the best in the world, and cutting the budget does impact it's capabilities to perform it's mission...just like any government agency can be superb and any cut impacts it's abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.
    The problem is the military and veterans make up a small percentage of the population and people already complain about how expensive it is. There was already a debate not too long ago about significantly raising the cost of healthcare for vets.

    The military is the way it has to be to perform its role if we ran the government like the military people would hate it.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    The problem is the military and veterans make up a small percentage of the population and people already complain about how expensive it is. There was already a debate not too long ago about significantly raising the cost of healthcare for vets.

    The military is the way it has to be to perform its role if we ran the government like the military people would hate it.
    Defense is the one of the top priorities and roles of government...i totally agree...but say education. If education is another top role why are all the states cutting education left and right and teacher pay getting hit. It has a role...I would argue just as important as the military....yet cutting the military budget is sacrosanct touching education and cutting is done all the tiem.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.

    If that's true, I have to wonder, "When will enough be enough?"

    I am a veteran so I have a right to say this. The war machine (defense industry) is big money that lines the pockets of American politicians. Their propaganda money is on convincing you and I that our military budgets cannot be cut back even at the expense of education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. Hands off the military.

    So, how many times bigger than Russia and China does our military need to be? 2 times? 5 times? 20 times? 100 times?

    What say ye?

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.
    to play Devils Advocate a bit...I do think due to American politics and government spending being treated as bad all the time...the military is the only political sellable method of government influencing industry.

    for example...subsidizing green energy....Republicans act like it's the end of the world...the US military signing a 200 billion dollar contractract to use solar panels on HUMVV's? Not a freaking peep.
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