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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Retirement programs funded by your employer, including military, are DEFERRED COMPENSATION, or IOW, an EARNED entitlement.....
    That is not socialism.
    And neither is food stamps.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And neither is food stamps.
    agree, until we all get them.....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    This is socialism, if it doesn't fit this definition then it isn't socialism, end of discussion.

    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    agree, until we all get them.....
    Basically.

    Of course, I am for UHC and completely understand that it would be a socialist program. I just don't consider it a big deal because we need it and there isn't much of another alternative without actually allowing people to die just because they can't afford medical care/medicine.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Basically.

    Of course, I am for UHC and completely understand that it would be a socialist program. I just don't consider it a big deal because we need it and there isn't much of another alternative without actually allowing people to die just because they can't afford medical care/medicine.
    again, I agree...
    My young granddaughter was in a bad situation (inoperable brain tumor), it took a lawyer to make her insurance company do the right thing....
    I don't mind that insurance companies operate with a profit motive, but when the greed motive rears its ugly head, then there should be prosecutions at the corporate level.
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    So sorry to hear about your grandbaby Utah. I hope she does well.

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This is socialism, if it doesn't fit this definition then it isn't socialism, end of discussion.



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    I don't think the people bitching about "omfg socialism!" every time a democrat takes a breath really care about what socialism actually is. It's like accusations of racism, it's not meant to do anything but instantly discredit another in order to avoid a real discussion.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
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    It is a long tactic of Liberals (especially Leftists) to use our military to justify handouts to the rest and thereby an altered path from capitalism to socialism. In the end, retirees earn their benefits no matter what the company. Social programs offerred to people who make bad decisions in life are a seperate issue. Or did that teacher, who taught for thirty years earn her retirement the same way a welfare commando earned his?

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    Bull****. You are once again making **** up, trying to spin some wild asses conspiracy theory and make comparisons that do not follow from what has been said, playing to emotions instead of logic. The harder you try and avoid admitting the uncomfortable truth, that you will benefit from programs that are socialist, you just go further and further into insanity and inanity.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I can sort of imagine NP sitting there, consumed in the idea that pot shots at Obama on the internet actually matter, thinking to himself, "Hmm, what can I post to beat on Obama, that I can actually win? I know! A vote aimed at military personnel!"

    ...And the roaring "GODDAMNIT!" when the votes started rolling in.
    I know. Poor guy can't catch a break. LOL!

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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    again, I agree...
    My young granddaughter was in a bad situation (inoperable brain tumor), it took a lawyer to make her insurance company do the right thing....
    I don't mind that insurance companies operate with a profit motive, but when the greed motive rears its ugly head, then there should be prosecutions at the corporate level.
    That's horrible Utah.

    Profit is above all else for insurance companies. A friend of mine worked years as a statistician at one of the largest most prestigious firms. His reports were given to the highest execs in the company in order to make determinations on what policies to enact.

    The company had a program to prevent old ladie's from breaking their hips...it would teach them what to avoid, put things in their homes etc. Well...somehow via Medicare they realized they make much more money from premiums after a person breaks their hip that vastly outweighs the medical care they received...what did they do? They canceled the preventative measures.
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