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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Some wars can only be won with boots on the ground, not just fancy tech, though.
    most wars lately can be won without ground troops.....
    We send missles and smart bombs in to take out their ability to defend themselves from their neighbors, and then leave....
    besides, if it is the middle east, Saudi Arabia should be the one with boots on the ground....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    did I say military only? hardly, but make it leaner and meaner, use cruise missles instead of putting soldiers on the streets of godforsaken hellholes, where they are just targets...
    disband EPA? no, just cut it deep, give the remaining staff an annual bonus for each REAL problem they solve....
    similar for many other agencies, get rid of the bloat, the RIP (retired in place) personnel....let the dedicated employees get the job done, and reward them for it...
    Why ain't we talking about cutting these other wasteful agencies? Why is it always the military they want to cut.........I will tell you why because the military can't fight back........they work for the clowns that want to cut them in Congress........Congress can't cut people like the EPA<NEA and PP because those agencies have congress in their back pockets............

    I don't know who your voting for but I beleive you said you get TRICARE and MEDICARE well Hussein Obama wants that...........If he gets reelected and Obamacare goes through you can expect huge premium increases and no COLAS....The only reason that he gave us a raise this year is because its and election year.......
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    NP loves him some socialism. There is a reason he is my left wing friend.
    Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    most wars lately can be won without ground troops.....
    We send missles and smart bombs in to take out their ability to defend themselves from their neighbors, and then leave....
    besides, if it is the middle east, Saudi Arabia should be the one with boots on the ground....
    I remember during the first gulf war. we got pissed when a Saudi was interviewed and asked if he did not feel an obligation to help defend Sudi Arabia with the Americans, and he said why should he do it when they could pay Americans to do it.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    not socialism as it isn't available to all, just those who earned it...
    Exactly, some of these lefties woudl love to see this a socialist country.........WE must never let that happen
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We need to cut spending and raise taxes. We should be cutting spending within the military by getting rid of waste, not people. I hate to tell you it isn't Obama that is cutting personnel instead of waste when it comes to military spending. That would be those who get to decide military budgets, generally that would be people within the military brass or Congressmen.

    I have personally seen military waste that can't be fixed because pointing it out is useless because those who are doing it don't consider it wasteful. And it goes up to some pretty high people within certain commands. They refuse to believe they are wrong in their assessment of what is and is not wasteful.
    You tell it! Anyone who has served has seen waste beyond belief. Just one example, in Vietnam, I once saw combat engineers burying a CAT, earth mover. I asked an E-7 combat engineer I knew about what I saw. IG inspection. They had one more CAT than they were supposed to have. There's was no way to get rid of it so they buried it. Problem solved. Cost??? That's one tiny example. Go big and talk about airframes that were a bust before they hit the ramp. Weapons systems?










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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    While these upgrades are happening, it's due to the fact that we have about 1/3 of the ships that we had 20 years ago.
    I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.
    Try serving on 2 WW2 destroyers that were built in 4 months and for only one thing...........Take take a topedo that might be headed for a bird farm.........
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Another lefty who believes that retired military should not have any benefits............By the way, she served but did not retire.........Imagine that............
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not arguing that. I worked with equipment from the 50s and 60s. Not all of it, but at least some. It needed improvements. Twenty years isn't really that long for the life of a ship. The problem is when they don't make improvements or don't work designs well enough to allow for major improvements with little cost.
    my first civilian job was at a test reactor in Idaho. THe goal was to build a sub reactor that would last long enough without refueling to match the useful life of the ship itself. Overhauls with refueling cost almost as much as a ship, and too often the overhauled ship still wouldn't meet operation requirements as well as an entirely new ship. With airplanes, we see it more often. altho a few old airframes keep on going like the energizer bunny....the B52 and Warthog come to mind...
    and altho it might seem a waste of money, a refitted and modernized Battleship in each ocean, with a third one on standby, might be a good idea.
    I doubt Arab terrorists will penetrate a battleship hull with a small boat full of explosives and suicide bombers...
    Bring back the Missouri !!!! OK, not realistic, but if we're going to waste some money, do it with a battleship...
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