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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is waste everywhere but don't just take it out on the military........Even a lefty like you has to admit that almost a trillion dollars in cuts is a little much and you pay attention a lot of those cuts will come in active duty and retired benefits..........No wonder dems can never get the vets vote..........


    How about we cut the EPA, NEA, PP.............Heaven forbid any of those liberal agencies...............better yet disband them.....
    did I say military only? hardly, but make it leaner and meaner, use cruise missles instead of putting soldiers on the streets of godforsaken hellholes, where they are just targets...
    disband EPA? no, just cut it deep, give the remaining staff an annual bonus for each REAL problem they solve....
    similar for many other agencies, get rid of the bloat, the RIP (retired in place) personnel....let the dedicated employees get the job done, and reward them for it...
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    exactly and personnel has been cut way back where a lot of ships are making back to back deployments............
    Personnel have been "cut way back"? Compared to when? Numbers and evidence please?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Why don't you get tricare for life? Its great and it pays the 20% medicare does not pay..........
    Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    ALOT of that is Retiree benefits and Cost-of-living allowances to take care of our troops. Trust me, we dont exactly use "state of the art" technology. Most of it is 5-10 years old or older
    and veterans benefits.....if we used our hardware more and boots on the ground less, we would have fewer mangled veterans to take care of....
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Of course you don't.......If it were left up to you the military would have no funding.......
    Perfect example of thinking inside the box. Here's an idea! Why don't we stop empire building? That will save a ton of money. Let's create a Department of Aggression and split the money with the DOD. I realize that you don't actually support the Constitution, NP, but we can save a **** load of money if we simply follow the government the Framers intended?

    How is it that we will be able to take care of veteran's and disabled vets when we are making them faster than we can bloody well pay for them? Hmmm?










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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually a good bit of the military budget also goes to upgrading certain things, such as our aircraft, weapons systems, and warships. The new CVNs, supercarriers, have been in development for the last decade or so and they are still working on improving them. Some of these improvements are meant to improve efficiency of our carriers, including needing less crew. Of course, less crew needs mean less sailors needed in the Navy as well.
    The Ford class carrier is going to be the all out ****! From everything I have read on it, it really is going to be a huge upgrade over the Nimitz, with almost a thousand fewer crew but able to do more.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    While these upgrades are happening, it's due to the fact that we have about 1/3 of the ships that we had 20 years ago.
    This is not a bad thing. The ships we do have are more capable, and are able to get the job done. There is a difference between believing we need a strong military, and not recognizing the reality that we do have to cut spending.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and veterans benefits.....if we used our hardware more and boots on the ground less, we would have fewer mangled veterans to take care of....
    Some wars can only be won with boots on the ground, not just fancy tech, though.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......
    not socialism as it isn't available to all, just those who earned it...
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    Re: For Veterans and Military personnel only.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Translation: Socialism sucks!!! Unless it's socialism that benefits me......
    NP loves him some socialism. There is a reason he is my left wing friend.
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