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    Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

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    "General Douglas MacArthur understood this danger to our liberty.I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within. "

    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
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    I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. - Dwight D. Eisenhower"

    War seems to be our National business. Why is that?

    Isn't this the type of discussion that should be generated in an election year?

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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    I can't believe that this thread hasn't gotten more traction. We've recently participated in two wars built on lies, Iraq and Libya and we don't want to acknowledge we are being misused, misguided, and poorly served by our leadership. It's a reality that is hard to face, but we have continually profitted by WAR. That is our National Business. Deny it! Argue with me! Defend your beliefs if they run counter to mine! Let's get it on!

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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    I cannot argue with you because I concur. I also believe that while we may have drawn profit from war that we're also bankrupting ourselves through it. I don't understand why people agree to endless wars. I feel like they live in a box where they can't see the truth of the horrors of war. They claim it is necessary, but it is not. War is hell, and trying to justify it is to live in an imaginary existence.
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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Its conveniently omitted that we were attacked on 911 and over 3,000 americans murdered and that was the second attempt on the WTC. Im all for predator drones and theres no other way at this point today to target terrorists and our known enemies in pakistan without them. I prefer to risk drones than the lives of special ops or our troops.
    I do believe we need to get out troops out of many places in the world...its an enormous unnecessary cost...why do we still have troops in Germany ?
    As far as the hate thing...none of them seem to hate us when were saving their ass's <kuwait> or when they are begging for the US to intervene..Saudi Arabia was ecstatic we moved on Iraq during the first gulf war, they were getting increasingly frightened of them.
    The USA has taken the lead whenever the UN wanted interventiona and weve always provided the most for Nato...if the usa was to back out of all this and stop giving money to ANYONE..and flip the great big bird at everyone...watch how fast we all feel the love for us

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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    War seems to be our National business. Why is that?
    I think of it like the perpetual war in 1984. Obviously that's a fictionalized and exaggerated version of things, but the reasoning is probably similar.
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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think of it like the perpetual war in 1984. Obviously that's a fictionalized and exaggerated version of things, but the reasoning is probably similar.
    Not sure I can agree and hope you're wrong!

    O'Brien says that the Party does what it does simply because it can.

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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    "The object of power is power."
    That's the exact line I was thinking of, but couldn't remember the exact wording of the whole quote.



    (edited for clarification purposes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its conveniently omitted that we were attacked on 911 and over 3,000 americans murdered and that was the second attempt on the WTC. Im all for predator drones and theres no other way at this point today to target terrorists and our known enemies in pakistan without them. I prefer to risk drones than the lives of special ops or our troops.
    I do believe we need to get out troops out of many places in the world...its an enormous unnecessary cost...why do we still have troops in Germany ?
    As far as the hate thing...none of them seem to hate us when were saving their ass's <kuwait> or when they are begging for the US to intervene..Saudi Arabia was ecstatic we moved on Iraq during the first gulf war, they were getting increasingly frightened of them.
    The USA has taken the lead whenever the UN wanted interventiona and weve always provided the most for Nato...if the usa was to back out of all this and stop giving money to ANYONE..and flip the great big bird at everyone...watch how fast we all feel the love for us
    Yes we were attacked on 9/11. Yes thousands of innocent lives were lost. Yes we had to do something about it.

    We did.

    Our intentions in Afghanistan were justified at first. However, that justification ended long ago when we crippled Al-Quida in that region. It really lost justification when Navy Seal 6 killed Osama bin Laden. We have lost over double the amount of lives killed in 9/11 to these wars. Iraq was NEVER justified. It was not worth it! None of our troops deserved to die over there. NONE OF THEM!

    Nothing we're doing over there protects our freedoms. These wars do more to harm our National Security then actually protect it. The United States does not always need to be in military conflicts. The realization will set in to you that we cannot sustain it financially. It isn't sticking the middle finger at everyone...it is reigning back our empire in order to prevent assured economic collapse.

    The government of the countries may not like that we're not involved anymore, but rest assured that the people within the countries will be glad we're not killing anymore. Drone strikes are not always accurate, and sometime we kill innocent people. Actually we do it all the time.

    Why do we have troops in over 130 countries must less Germany? Is there a need for that?

    We cannot be aggressors. We're not supposed to be that. We have our own issues here at home to deal with. We shouldn't allow our government to always have some distant land to fear when we should be fearing the decisions on Capital Hill.
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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's the exact line I was thinking of, but couldn't remember the exact wording of the whole quote.

    (edited for clarification purposes)
    It's horrifying, isn't it? Illuminati territory.

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    Re: Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It's horrifying, isn't it? Illuminati territory.

    What do we do to change this? I vote Green, but it seems ineffectual. It is obvious by who profits from these wars which Corporations are buying our politicians. Wholesale change is a possible solution. The 99% might really have an impact in this arena.

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